From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Maxim Cournoyer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#39823: 26.3; update-directory-autoloads regression from Emacs 26 to Emacs 27 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 22:16:04 -0400 Message-ID: <87y2rz4tgb.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87zhd2lpad.fsf@gmail.com> <87o8t16q5e.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="37282"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: 39823@debbugs.gnu.org, Noam Postavsky To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 17 03:17:14 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jE1n8-0009aF-8P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 03:17:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51558 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jE1n7-0003jR-4X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 22:17:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40617) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jE1my-0003jJ-My for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 22:17:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jE1mw-0006XD-RM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 22:17:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60236) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jE1mw-0006VA-MZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 22:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jE1mw-0003YY-Hp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 22:17:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Maxim Cournoyer Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 02:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39823 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 39823-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39823.158441137513597 (code B ref 39823); Tue, 17 Mar 2020 02:17:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 39823) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Mar 2020 02:16:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37976 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jE1mA-0003XF-Tm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 22:16:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qk1-f180.google.com ([209.85.222.180]:35533) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jE1m8-0003Wy-P5 for 39823@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 22:16:13 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qk1-f180.google.com with SMTP id d8so30038474qka.2 for <39823@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:16:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=EhgeYNEy+tVh/7zsgq1lMmALZWHpNbR04IM4ERNDP2g=; b=pco/cHcmZijONtSe0L7xMBMUSRW6b3CNQlYHSHDQGOdbcia/I7XSUfQp8nkARF22Uz nvS3i55R1OkhkpX4juld/zgFg/KmPLS8N5oHBrD9lbI/GO7cmfxuUXPSvbx6/NZpGmKy RzbRCUjgBQbfbN/btG4DONGDBFAeyCKRGhCvhCvHfioNEzrK9pe/GwariosZZ9UaphT5 4C7oxxwh3EiCw//zvvGBCEb7x0/oImJO+AHuGkJV3G61VXs7nIckOnT/QXpwYvtDGUE+ amv3WK6FkRuoeCcb79uDoKZbF1IpKnFtAbEivXHYDDy54BnirBZV7PTrzXo2zP8dF3ts T/Fw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=EhgeYNEy+tVh/7zsgq1lMmALZWHpNbR04IM4ERNDP2g=; b=i8RbjcSm0HtzBAquzC4/GIOQRtKXqPuox0Nv8pLunVTy0co7j9tVmH1fyTTEwrU29M gmvx+V+8ywfY410x+vnzli4YorvtVLMWedo4k21Vlw3WnjPq0rCGXmYAaFPpjnRd9Nm/ 2on5MJtEooAA2xfFHyMcvOYxVT8AZvrMUaSdDfXqWiCrugpHT3I9Vvu/KWeS5SSfg4PT 3x3KcvS5ny4yqskrNhtK03NkZKSpIVKtbURlmwZB7tA0w1PXVlwO8fH2jN4K5P/2vU4G tFfhkrKb0iN3L6mRHGfZ/KfQBtLAGbmKJ8z6jzRNR7At2d39CWDD5/pbyqfwatL+E+kb L+Tg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1UkVqGKIOjtf0vtdxCuEqF4mS7tFSk4v/klcDt670+6vmmZQRv MUf1sUlmXTcMxOZYMVn2zGZO0uozxno= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vsUY/DTGnXNsbiPOHQUOGUmbhPes8q4B0sb4Sn9rK+Zm6wm9h1y7OPe/gr6AwqmYDFyS3xM4g== X-Received: by 2002:a37:981:: with SMTP id 123mr2802115qkj.154.1584411366170; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from apteryx (dsl-10-129-121.b2b2c.ca. [72.10.129.121]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m10sm1178441qte.71.2020.03.16.19.16.05 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 16 Mar 2020 19:16:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 13 Mar 2020 23:34:48 -0400") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:177430 Archived-At: Hello, Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Is there any real use for lexical scoping in --eval? > I suggest reverting the default for --eval to dynamic. > We could introduce --evallex to specify lexical scoping > and ask people to tell us if they find it useful. Not a bad suggestion, but I actually embrace the change to lexical mode everywhere (I find it more forward looking, and like that it is consistently the default everywhere). I believe the reason for this bug report is two-fold: 1) I wasn't aware of the change to --eval (my bad -- I don't follow Emacs development very closely). 2) The API of some older code (such as the `update-directory-autoloads' procedure from the autoload library, as I found out) requires the use of dynamic evaluation for its API to function. Now that I know about 1), it's rather easy to work around 2). And I'd guess that with Elisp finally preferring lexical scope by default, 2) will tend to disappear over time. Maxim