From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#44068: 28.0.50; Faulty uses of tabulated-list-format Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 21:12:44 +0200 Message-ID: <87y2k2yqqb.fsf@gmx.net> References: <87imb7e242.fsf@gmx.net> <83zh4ipbli.fsf@gnu.org> <877drm13j3.fsf@gmx.net> <831rhuoy36.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12887"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 44068@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 19 21:13:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kUaak-0003IA-Gv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Mon, 19 Oct 2020 21:12:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <831rhuoy36.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 21:43:57 +0300") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:57FCpFFy0IwqUZsPldGT31K3wVv3KqaNbX0xwbzdAx87PwuX7gy o5lnDyybXzmtd9BDOx9QDBxy6uFioe9AiAi4FAhRpYeC1LmQ+MDipfrlljk8e3UCTFNGKyh 6QSmzMBnGPFunz1BJajB+0Osn//+cATD9jA0G96mfG616Szf57P3Z87IRxycMepixya5ooT CjAiS+neXUMI3S8eIn0rQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Dt1AE4f4psA=:rnBUcB7OtSVhwJSv0q4Y10 QwmUlAQDluQtB4FiLIGF/PY1qhfRTFvnf+6Jb7RphRRNWGGSLd94S0wJNY9BzoktbEK4NUL7t K7GhWy49kR0YuZvtTfrJo9yDMaVwuHilpvaqYk7tZz23fgSmDlVp5JLXXfUHoZacMFZyWK2YI i473ak2Wp/QIQqdICrVHn81cMEs6e8W3tVpiFfOJw7NtvGZUSc6z1YvcJK3oQK8/MJW7Vg47w qe4RVHkwAlT+X1RuTU3Yk+K7nUZGsTn+ZZP/b77Y69G9NW7sy6hhuYc2eJgbO/ucszmfzsE5u 4ztd44XQyrHvHlWCJdEVafVg/M4tRrLaEidn6sVCrBmJhumGBlJ/jadoJVDFAdTWlsCLgzZEd eFkgUvzFH9vwrXn3F0wY84fdTRRzp5ISV5yG9ylPWJyV0dc1prg3R6HILANK+JoJ8gN4MBzGt Uhgzxa2wjCOIB0qAiDmTsEAGACgN4gkcotPOTCrz0hx1OM7PWuvzY+akL+wor1REGqj+xao1p jek/pvdXpqoLktwVWNRlu02DQEu5v+ZksbHYVD/ph8mqMjV9c5ZzPzpIBx0W8tuVyLU3fpGI/ S9OJ+S59/WwnY1R6uA8GtJ73lkPiBto47K548XGnGSwtvrMdpWbpUg5ZVzNmUx1bBIT6Q7s4i Hww3OJw030HoZE4tvjBosXx6OKmzXaRlpgZQ3prNqfAcU8AwQ+JAN5Cf67c1dipSFIERUH+Xw 9/cYd8pIt9Pt56BKn56pkGe9PgjacnJMU2Q4DbH0jJwk3cFUL0dpJsemvSqc/0O2yvX+a/kg X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:191036 Archived-At: On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 21:43:57 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Stephen Berman >> Cc: 44068@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:20:16 +0200 >>=20 >> > Instead of manually fine-tuning each column's width, wouldn't it be >> > better to use the string-trim capabilities that replace excess >> > characters with an ellipsis? >>=20 >> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion. If you mean to truncate the >> column label in the header line when displaying the sort indicator, >> e.g. change "Status" to "Sta=E2=80=A6 =E2=96=BC", I'm dubious it's worth= the effort, >> since most of the problematic cases in the Emacs sources are with the >> final column, where there's always enough space, but due to the >> misleading description in tabulated-list-format's doc string, many modes >> have made it unnecessarily narrow, preventing the display of the sort >> indicator. So to avoid the final column being labelled e.g. either >> "File" or "Fi=E2=80=A6 =E2=96=BC" instead of "File =E2=96=BC", it is nec= essary to change the >> width manually anyway. In other words, the truncation proposal would be >> an addition to manual fine-tuning (for non-final columns), not a >> substitute for it. Or did you mean something else? > > Yes, I meant it as an addition, which will make this issue much more > future proof. Documentation update is definitely fine (and should > probably go to emacs-27, not to master, right?), and adjusting the > column widths to eliminate the ellipsis is also okay. I just don't > want us to end with these two and nothing else. Ok. I can try, but anyone should feel free to beat me to it. Steve Berman