From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Third Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14736: 24.3; "Insert" key results in question mark mouse cursor and does not send a keyboard event Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 12:36:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87y29upqvp.fsf@idiocy.org> References: <1832345773.5319.1372382464778.JavaMail.root@nerur.com> <871r80p121.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25322"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Kumaran Santhanam , 14736@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 25 13:37:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m7cRV-0006S0-HU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 13:37:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52378 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7cRU-0006PQ-BH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 07:37:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45044) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7cRL-0006PE-07 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 07:37:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36144) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m7cRK-0005br-PJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 07:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m7cRK-00017L-Gw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 07:37:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Third Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14736 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo confirmed Original-Received: via spool by 14736-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14736.16272129854243 (code B ref 14736); Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14736) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2021 11:36:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47690 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m7cQi-00016N-Ln for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 07:36:24 -0400 Original-Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.126.228]:44045) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m7cQf-000167-Va for 14736@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 07:36:22 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.28]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 910BC92; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.142]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1627212974; bh=JgJbuToW3yGZTpIoBMtHcH2ym8Jzv8u4sWUqhmSRUiw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=eOpyD80m0veU1NAvAsfHnz3pFbVekPxdpPxEloj0N6N5MuwoQ1aWH3+HbdAyyxoD4 sB679zrJ/544pxvnBtOfRWVxOYPD/FrpNaT3oI+6eB/kT1gYtqAbMQPsoFJC85BRhc 8o3neuh///spJLSilmcIzRAl/rQ3r7PVU+JyJWeocMrCQhp6YnnR/oSppdqMQbS5mQ qWgx4zRV9g+WZUNbrYXztpdlHUaFdDWKMOUIEa8EO/FvTOsbyLghT3oi0egl9mFhkQ PXqxclUbP6wYrKUi6LCEx1kHZ9/WUdNDlXISBwAGM1bIBbXU3GlkNEjZXSSteRESpy LG4znZAkPDycQ== Original-Received: from alan by faroe.holly.idiocy.org with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1m7cQU-003Q3R-PK; Sun, 25 Jul 2021 12:36:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <871r80p121.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:02:14 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:210704 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Alan Third writes: > >> Kumaran Santhanam writes: >> >>> On Mac OS X, the "Insert" key on external keyboards is mapped to >>> "Help". Therefore, when the "Insert" key is pressed, the mouse cursor >>> turns into a question mark and the key is not passed to Emacs to >>> process. This is problematic because users may have keybindings from >>> Linux and Windows that make use of the "Insert" key. >> >> Confirmed as still present in Emacs 25. >> >> Is there some use for the "help" key and question-mark pointer? >> >> Interestingly, it looks like on recent Apple keyboards "insert" is >> replaced with fn instead of help. > > I don't have an external keyboard for my Apple laptop, so I can't test > myself. Is this issue still present in newer versions of Emacs/Macos? Apparently fn-return should be equivalent. I can't check it right now though. -- Alan Third