From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11912: 24.1; 'M' in Dired on a symlink does not refresh the display Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 15:54:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87y28o1fc3.fsf@gnus.org> References: <83txxeb6q8.fsf@gnu.org> <87tujf9m52.fsf@cnu407c2zx.nsn-intra.net> <87fsuyonpv.fsf@gnus.org> <8678ec5a-a5f2-8ae4-6212-c377c3abe9e8@cs.ucla.edu> <871r6hn64r.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21270"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: mvar.40k@gmail.com, 11912@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 26 15:55:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFqY-0005H8-JF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 15:55:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37976 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFqX-00073z-Id for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:55:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60524) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFqQ-000729-Hc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:55:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:37063) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFqQ-0006Ds-9z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:55:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFqQ-00015Y-6B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:55:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 13:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11912 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 11912-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11912.16299860904157 (code B ref 11912); Thu, 26 Aug 2021 13:55:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11912) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2021 13:54:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48607 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFqE-00014z-75 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:54:50 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:47572) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFqC-00014l-Fz for 11912@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:54:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=tXNSDoW6Cp3mskr03PLyPCU1xd4bNDdfYHCFCAUpST4=; b=YkY2sr+7OUV0Ei95zse4LW0+g1 48Qb1odOm9vgzsbbdnIz5DloinhEghRmnzIPMH542QTYnhL4ODvQ4F9tDbkqQm/VxKjC5Vm51I5IV wyQEySDOm8OTaVhIJl9N5yRQQKnblH2/pqAyo0w+QfZIpdMIuGW4xvEQhUSmWESbgTmc=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFq1-0001SX-8Z; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 15:54:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 25 Aug 2021 23:57:59 -0400") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:212710 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I wouldn't assume that a user who uses M on a symlink in Dired wants > to alter the file it points to. I think it is more likely that the > user did not realize it might do that. Suppose you operate on 10 > files and one is a symlink -- you might not even have noticed that one > is as symlink. Yes, that's a good point. It's always ambiguous what the user really wants to do when doing operations on symlinks, and making Dired always "edit what's actually in the buffer" (i.e., the symlink itself) makes it less ambiguous (even if it might surprise people who expected Posix semantics). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no