From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4960: 23.1.50; Please provide access to the tour on the Help menu; preferably ship it also Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:32:07 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87ws1lzksg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: Reply-To: Juri Linkov , 4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258710534 27244 80.91.229.12 (20 Nov 2009 09:48:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 20 10:48:47 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NBQ6c-0007qu-Vt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:48:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60987 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBQ6c-0002an-Ey for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:48:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBQ5a-000263-1O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:47:38 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBQ5U-00021z-UU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:47:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49043 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBQ5U-00021p-Jl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:47:32 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:40778) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NBQ5T-0006Ea-EE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:47:32 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAK9lLiE020934; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:47:22 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nAK9j6B0020675; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:45:06 -0800 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:45:06 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Juri Linkov Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:45:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4960 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 4960-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4960.125870991720108 (code B ref 4960); Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:45:06 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4960) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 20 Nov 2009 09:38:37 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mx1.starman.ee (smtp-out3.starman.ee [85.253.0.5]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAK9cZbn020100 for <4960@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:38:37 -0800 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee Original-Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.34.117.cable.starman.ee [82.131.34.117]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AF33F4149; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:38:27 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:27:07 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:47:37 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:32751 Archived-At: >> Previous discussion: >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-11/msg00120.html > > There seemed to be a consensus to change part of the Help menu the way > Drew suggested: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-11/msg00158.html > > Though Stefan and someone else thought that a menu item that opened > something in a web browser felt a bit wrong. I never understood why. > Is not that very common? > > I suggest we change the Help menu as discussed there. The Web Guided Tour is an advertisement of Emacs features. It doesn't provide any help. So the "Help" menu is not appropriate. We could create a new menu "Ads" ;-) BTW, I noticed that the About screen doesn't say that the link will start the browser (like it says on the startup screen). Here is a fix: Index: lisp/startup.el =================================================================== RCS file: /sources/emacs/emacs/lisp/startup.el,v retrieving revision 1.550 diff -u -r1.550 startup.el --- lisp/startup.el 6 Nov 2009 05:16:28 -0000 1.550 +++ lisp/startup.el 20 Nov 2009 09:31:21 -0000 @@ -1371,7 +1371,7 @@ :link ("Emacs Guided Tour" (lambda (button) (browse-url "http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/")) "Browse http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/tour/") - "\tSee an overview of the many facilities of GNU Emacs" + "\tSee an overview of Emacs facilities at gnu.org" )) "A list of texts to show in the middle part of the About screen. Each element in the list should be a list of strings or pairs -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/