From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10125: RFE: require and load-path-shadowing Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:15:38 +0530 Message-ID: <87wqvk5tf1.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87sj68eogm.fsf@Rainer.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1357872429 4409 80.91.229.3 (11 Jan 2013 02:47:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Achim Gratz , 10125@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 11 03:47:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TtUeT-0001mA-OW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 03:47:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50106 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TtUeD-0004VH-NA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:47:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36267) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TtUe8-0004Ki-F5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:47:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TtUe6-00005A-PB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:47:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49373) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TtUe2-0008WB-1B; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:46:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TtUe5-0004jL-Mw; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:47:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10125 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,org-mode X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10125-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10125.135787236718115 (code B ref 10125); Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:47:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10125) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2013 02:46:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54837 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TtUdD-0004i7-38 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:46:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pb0-f50.google.com ([209.85.160.50]:38903) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TtUdA-0004ha-Ld for 10125@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:46:05 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id wz7so670427pbc.23 for <10125@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:45:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=aFLY8SWKCAXzSvxXrwMCATnqGxL5iTMmYLu7kU9ySus=; b=SQQlzwzyjkI1IQOmisy7qNQCKvYgzu3VT5it+btKKHc7AY7DFKNc4atPWd+ArCTv3e 3XC4IHj4OSbBSgOet6dG6j8yLYoxpCAUs78yKY1nJFo8acDvDWIsSPI9VdX/kNS7MuXr gh0KThAmd2eGsh1gmQghzrknnQE3GHjZJcvi//NtV8tIV9mkPLGBGLRA4FLgMvzDiROE oz2YRgOf1W1yg7FQzkjvIYORzIFOHF/GkSqO4qE7BtwcEVYJ3fiGSPUyC6LfcRyh8mLk jH3APJ28xtRIom+R65kdAm196E8LRHKU/B4vjRY6kzg8aM9lHMAklztcwIqsbtlU1iI7 xnEg== X-Received: by 10.66.84.3 with SMTP id u3mr202528468pay.51.1357872354252; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:45:54 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.216.199]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ty4sm1851151pbc.57.2013.01.10.18.45.50 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:45:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:57:41 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:69587 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > - outdated .elc file taking precedence over the new .el file can do > the same. I find this warning quite useful. Consider this, all happening because of what is in .emacs. 1. Something in .emacs causes org-x to be loaded from Vanilla Emacs. 2. Load path changed to point to a git checkout. 3. User does something which loads org-y. org-y comes from (2). The chain of events ends up with requiring an org-x. org-x WASN'T RE-LOADED because the symbol is provided. Ofcourse, it is provided from the wrong place. In case of (3), a warning that says "I refuse to have mutiple personality disorder". A warning during Emacs initing could be missed. So if there is a command line option to trigger an abrupt-end, we could advise the user to enable it and say "You have got a problem in your init file. Not the Org-mode that is distributed." This will serve to remove endless amount of confusion. What I am saying, even if we couldn't solve the problem cleanly, a simple warning that says "Something fishy" will greatly reduce the user complaints in the Org list. I am not sure how much of what I typed makes sense. But I type nevertheless, people read it or ignore it. --