From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 23:30:56 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87woibbpxb.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87sgt3k4w0.fsf@hysteria.proulx.com> <85tvdjd1gy.fsf@gmail.com> <20190524151617874644844@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="122727"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: 35887@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com, Bob Proulx To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 27 22:32:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hVMI0-000VgE-6N for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 May 2019 22:32:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50407 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hVMHz-0003Tx-6H for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 May 2019 16:32:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55835) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hVMHr-0003Sy-Av for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 May 2019 16:32:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hVMHq-00025f-DR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 May 2019 16:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:40726) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hVMHq-00025V-8V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 May 2019 16:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hVMHq-0000kT-2v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 May 2019 16:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 20:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 35887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 35887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B35887.15589891032850 (code B ref 35887); Mon, 27 May 2019 20:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 35887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 May 2019 20:31:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54270 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hVMHX-0000jt-8s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 May 2019 16:31:43 -0400 Original-Received: from goldenrod.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.74]:20907) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hVMHV-0000jl-8Z for 35887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 May 2019 16:31:42 -0400 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BBE1A1C72; Mon, 27 May 2019 20:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-38-146.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.38.146]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AF4C71A1DE0; Mon, 27 May 2019 20:31:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.2); Mon, 27 May 2019 20:31:39 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Oafish-Invention: 314250c515183bec_1558989099861_1069138984 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1558989099861:683806657 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1558989099861 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7CA83283; Mon, 27 May 2019 13:31:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=linkov.net; bh=eeFKpQ YxQhSKRq50SyTyu6l8//o=; b=lDRSb5TFUiHe7ZvoMTAC+DreFZ/kTryJvNmJ0f 4XHfbKwxu1qopzhzhBhJm6PzcH+TaJ4HSw+TRq9Se/LnNrbGRU0IxNwuaN33zHAR awFLVOkcdFqEi3Yd95mkLDhmCC0qMS9qYxIRQoLMwoN49/Bupf2ZBDfRgatOBD2O uH5T0= Original-Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-96-73.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 82CBF832A5; Mon, 27 May 2019 13:31:33 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a50 In-Reply-To: (martin rudalics's message of "Sat, 25 May 2019 10:00:02 +0200") X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddruddvfedgudejucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgfgsehtkeertddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqnecukfhppeeluddruddvledrleeirdejfeenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepmhgrihhlrdhjuhhrthgrrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepledurdduvdelrdeliedrjeefpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvthdpnhhrtghpthhtoheprhhuuggrlhhitghssehgmhigrdgrthenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:159827 Archived-At: >> The minibuffer is where I expect to find useful editor feedback. When >> things happen there I look to see what it is telling me. Sometimes it >> is an error message. Sometimes it is direct dialog interaction such >> as for find-file. Sometimes it is simply information such as "Mark >> set". But with global-eldoc-mode enabled it is continously posting >> distractions in the minibuffer that I must look at, read and >> comprehend, and then ignore. This increases the editing workload. >> This increases use fatigue. > > I find error messages like "Beginning of buffer" (and the accompanying > beep) and informative messages like "Mark set" much more annoying. > What's worse: I see no practical way to turn these off which means > that I have to decide whether I want to use the mouse-wheel to scroll > an Emacs buffer or to switch off my loudspeakers. And obviously the > echo area and the *Messages* buffer get crowded with these completely > useless (for me) informations. Why customizing inhibit-message to t doesn't inhibit these messages? > So while I agree with you that =E2=80=98global-eldoc-mode=E2=80=99 shou= ld never have > been enabled by default, I consider it a minor annoyance compared to > the ones I described above. At least you've found out how to turn it > off. I turn =E2=80=98global-eldoc-mode=E2=80=99 off too, but I think it should= be enabled by default to demonstrate to newbies that Emacs has the same feature that their IDEs have.