From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38457: 27.0.50; dabbrev-expand regression due to message change Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 01:05:03 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87wob7g2jk.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <8736e3vve8.fsf@gmx.net> <8736e2coyv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83y2vujd0y.fsf@gnu.org> <87blspm0sm.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837e3ckbem.fsf@gnu.org> <871rtjn0kt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfrrigj8.fsf@gnu.org> <87eexiqps5.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfrphp94.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="106120"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: 38457@debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 08 04:04:50 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1idmsL-000RSf-9D for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 04:04:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55088 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1idmsJ-00016P-Vf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2019 22:04:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37904) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1idmrw-00013z-7a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2019 22:04:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1idmri-00011q-Ti for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2019 22:04:14 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44148) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1idmrZ-0000xF-Vt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2019 22:04:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1idmrZ-0002ET-Qv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2019 22:04:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 03:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 38457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38457.15757741868507 (code B ref 38457); Sun, 08 Dec 2019 03:04:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Dec 2019 03:03:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50121 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1idmqf-0002D8-GJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2019 22:03:05 -0500 Original-Received: from antelope.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.4]:38718) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1idmqd-0002CL-0A for 38457@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2019 22:03:03 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E677D2C1286; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 23:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-86-105.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.86.105]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 67ECC2C074A; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 23:39:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sat, 07 Dec 2019 23:39:57 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Skirt-Desert: 02703e6a2fc2c37b_1575761997652_87938588 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1575761997652:3519119599 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1575761997651 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7778640C; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=linkov.net; bh=MXTUtr BAy8i8lk2b+RPwV/npUy8=; b=HXBAnrV8ijqoX7htSvnVW9ptR7SzRwyGMsoX1p XzNx/M8pfV7Wu+REaOUth52PgP62OGkXTB5cAeNDu8quZQSEeN11wdngXeT5EgaY 0uekmBv1kZqGJxqojypgHDSNBzOb07sywCcHnQlBR18MVnOzBn5uTXagUE+Kx8s8 9F9So= Original-Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-96-42.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D42F3863FF; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:39:54 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a14 In-Reply-To: <83lfrphp94.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 06 Dec 2019 09:44:39 +0200") X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudekiedguddvucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgfgsehtkeertddtredunecuhfhrohhmpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqnecukfhppeeluddruddvledrleeirdegvdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepmhgrihhlrdhjuhhrthgrrdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepledurdduvdelrdeliedrgedvpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvthdpnhhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:173008 Archived-At: >> > That is why I suggest to find a simpler, safer solution for that iss= ue >> > now, and if you insist on using a timer (which I personally consider >> > not a good idea), then do this after the release branch is cut. >>=20 >> Using a timer is the right thing to do, there is no simpler solution, >> it solves all problems. > > Sorry, I object to installing a timer-based solution at this time. It > is too radical and is likely to cause numerous unintended consequences > all over the place. > > I just suggested another possible solution: bind > 'minibuffer-message-timeout' to zero when calling 'minibuffer-message' > from 'message'. Would that work, or will it have some unwanted side > effects? K=E9vin posted a patch that binds 'minibuffer-message-timeout' to zero, b= ut it makes each message disappear before the user has a chance to read it. With a timer-based approach each message disappears too, except the last message that the user has a chance to read.