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Thu, 26 Nov 2020 13:41:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87lfeo3vzg.fsf@bzg.fr> (Bastien's message of "Thu, 26 Nov 2020 17:48:19 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:194374 Archived-At: Bastien writes: > I will probably release 9.4.1 over the week-end to include the latest > fixes made in the last two months. > > Using 9.4.1 in the Emacs pretest release is safe too. Mmm, I can name a few somewhat-disruptive changes in 9.4 that might throw people off. For example: - the new default value for org-startup-folded, as well as some pesky side-effects with logbook visibility[1], - RET and C-j honoring electric-indent-mode (thus bringing Org in line with the rest of Emacs), which has caused some uproar on the mailing list recently[2]. (And then there's everything under "Incompatible changes" in ORG-NEWS.) It's not my call of course, but I would argue that if we want 27.2 to be a no-surprise, bugfix-only release, 9.3.8 would be a safer option. [1] https://orgmode.org/list/875z83hwuc.fsf@gmail.com/ tl;dr: $ wget https://orgmode.org/list/87eepuz0bj.fsf@gmail.com/2-logbooks.org $ emacs -Q 2-logbooks.org C-s bug - with Org up to 9.3.8, logbooks remain closed; - with Org 9.4, logbooks are opened during the search; this adds a lot of clutter and robs the user of a lot of context; (can reproduce on maint, 2d23d55ac) - this can also be reproduced with Org master, 9a154910e, although I could have sworn that Ihor (CC'ed) had committed something to address this. [2] https://orgmode.org/list/2020-11-13T18-23-43@devnull.Karl-Voit.at/t/ tl;dr: Lots of Org users were using RET with electric-indent-mode on, unaware that their prose was one TAB away from being indented. 9.4 made RET honor electric-indent-mode and indents, and much grief ensued. My (maybe biased) takeway is that the default value of org-adapt-indentation should be changed, as evidenced by the non-indented reference examples shown on orgmode.org, and the .dir-locals.el setting at the root of Org's repo.