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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 26524ba057f35663cf4527a7118f97f4; Tue, 07 Feb 2023 02:04:56 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:01:50 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21161 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:255008 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko writes: > While I do not object jokes per se, I do note that for a person outside > USA context or, sometimes, for a person inside USA context, jokes in the > listed section are simply distracting from understanding the described > topic. I am not American, yet I understand most of the jokes in the Gnus manual. > 3.15 Exiting Gnus has > > Note: > > Miss Lisa Cannifax, while sitting in English class, felt her feet > go numbly heavy and herself fall into a hazy trance as the boy > sitting behind her drew repeated lines with his pencil across the > back of her plastic chair. > > I am not sure if it is a joke. I only feel confused about what > information this note is trying to convey. Also, at least one other user > find this section insulting. > > Further, the last sentence in > > =E2=80=98z=E2=80=99 > Suspend Gnus (=E2=80=98gnus-group-suspend=E2=80=99). This doesn=E2= =80=99t really exit > Gnus, but it kills all buffers except the Group buffer. I=E2=80=99m= not > sure why this is a gain, but then who am I to judge? > > is implying what? Is it just a joke? Or is it saying that the function > is useless? Discouraged? I am confused. > > 3.16 Group Topics > > If you read lots and lots of groups, it might be convenient to group > them hierarchically according to topics. You put your Emacs groups o= ver > here, your sex groups over there, and the rest (what, two groups or s= o?) > you put in some misc section that you never bother with anyway. You = can > even group the Emacs sex groups as a sub-topic to either the Emacs > groups or the sex groups=E2=80=94or both! Go wild! > > Forgetting about trying to joke around the word sex (the topic, often > negatively received by, at least, some Muslim users), I simply feel > disoriented while trying to read this paragraph. I can understand the > first sentence. Is the rest of the paragraph a joke? Or are there useful > pieces of information coded inside? I think this joke is fairly obvious for anyone who has tried to browse a public news server. > After reading this info section, I feel that the amount of attempted > jokes is larger than the amount of useful information. This is > distracting (even though I do not mind an occasional joke, personally) > > 8 Scoring has > > Other people use =E2=80=9Ckill files=E2=80=9D, but we here at Gnus To= wers like scoring > better than killing, so we=E2=80=99d rather switch than fight. They = do > something completely different as well, so sit up straight and pay > attention! > > For me, this paragraph is meaningless. For US users, it is some kind of > word play around sexual behavior, I guess. At least some users find "we > .. like scoring better than killing" uncomfortable. I object jokes that > make people feel uncomfortable. > > Also, I fail to understand what "kill files" really refers to here. Also > some USA-specific context? Or is it Emacs killing concept? Deleting > files on file system? Gnus is a news reader. Naturally, the indended audience of the jokes in its manual are those who read net news. Since you don't know what a kill or a (Gnus-specific) score file is, you can disregard that paragraph. The internet is for adults, not silly folk who cry about everything they don't understand.