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From: Nicolas Richard <theonewiththeevillook@yahoo.fr>
To: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de>
Cc: 15117@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#15117: 24.3.50; doc of `(forward|backward)-*': state return value
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:16:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vbwl99wp.fsf@yahoo.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52FA00E7.2050108@easy-emacs.de> ("Andreas \=\?utf-8\?Q\?R\=C3\=B6h\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?ler\=22's\?\= message of "Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:52:23 +0100")

Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> writes:
> Am 11.02.2014 05:01, schrieb Stefan Monnier:
>> Says you.  For me (and most definitions of side-effects I've ever seen),
>> a side-effecting function is something like a function where the calls
>> can't simply be replaced by their return value.

> Can't see a logic link between a possible return value and the notion of side-effect.
> It all depends from the purpose of the function.

I guess this is a slight misunderstanding. The notion of side-effect is
well defined in CS: « a function or expression is said to have a side
effect if, in addition to returning a value, it also modifies some state
or has an observable interaction with calling functions or the outside
world. »
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Side_effect_%28computer_science%29)

The notions of "mostly-unintended effect" (like so: (defun
my-point-at-eol (progn (end-of-line) (point)))) or "multi-purpose
functions by means of global variables" (e.g. the use of 'org-ts-what in
org-at-timestamp-p -- which is kind of scary if I may say) are only
special cases of side effects.

-- 
Nico.





  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-11 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-17 15:59 bug#15117: 24.3.50; doc of `(forward|backward)-*': state return value Drew Adams
2014-02-08  5:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-02-10  0:12   ` Drew Adams
2014-02-10  2:39     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2014-02-10  2:45       ` Drew Adams
2014-02-10 16:27     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-02-10 21:16       ` Drew Adams
2014-02-11  1:07         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-02-11  6:40           ` Drew Adams
2014-02-11  1:28         ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-02-11  6:43           ` Drew Adams
2014-02-11 16:31             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-02-11 17:29               ` Drew Adams
2014-02-11 18:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-02-11 18:42                 ` Andreas Röhler
2014-02-11 18:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-02-11 19:13                     ` Drew Adams
2014-02-11 19:26                     ` Andreas Röhler
2014-02-11 17:36             ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-02-11  2:52         ` Glenn Morris
2014-02-11  4:01         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-02-11 10:52           ` Andreas Röhler
2014-02-11 11:16             ` Nicolas Richard [this message]
2014-02-11 12:10               ` Andreas Röhler
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     [not found]         ` <<CAAeL0SRYdnYryaVzADc5L61vgM0EPQeBzG2h327YynitS18tXA@mail.gmail.com>
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     [not found]                 ` <<8338jpttic.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-02-11 18:14                   ` Drew Adams
2014-02-11 18:17                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                   ` <<5889df4e-4343-4136-ae49-4062659da625@default>
     [not found]                     ` <<831tz9tsy2.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-02-11 18:26                       ` Drew Adams

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