From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 14:55:04 +0000 Message-ID: <87v8k33rnb.fsf@localhost> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <87wn4u6xj0.fsf@yahoo.com> <871qn1afay.fsf@localhost> <87r0v17iul.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zg9peijp.fsf@localhost> <87mt5p7etx.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wn4tedtx.fsf@localhost> <87a61p7bpu.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r0v1e9kg.fsf@localhost> <871qn16j3i.fsf@yahoo.com> <871qn0e67a.fsf@localhost> <87h6vw5qpw.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y1p8cqqs.fsf@localhost> <87cz6k5njc.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2692"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 15 15:55:08 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pSJBZ-0000Kg-Or for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:55:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSJBY-0004Qk-5j; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:55:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSJBW-0004Ps-A9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:55:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSJBW-0005T6-1Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:55:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pSJBV-0005cO-TL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:55:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 14:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.167647287721552 (code B ref 61325); Wed, 15 Feb 2023 14:55:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2023 14:54:37 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58464 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pSJB6-0005bX-W5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:54:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:56423) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pSJB4-0005bJ-Bu for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:54:34 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B15C924045A for <61325@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:54:28 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1676472868; bh=lyR/MHLeH6SHJKW+0yXNu86v0kvd/07etVwCp0/VWSI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=oCwun63WoZpQZZiqGtyme3ArBcP/3tD4skUCXJbM3xcpM83TdaNVNEKtKtEskhpzj KnECt/3sBcc0vMyiD3sk1322IxfNxDmwofQmJBXwjsoaCHqWQOSdGqrnJ6ifoF79A3 qZS3y2jhqHVgqRYuY0uCz7BaFbhHimnzKaWlC6s6imJqeBqIkGmZJ5NRfGZde+z8m+ hXMAn7SbMEQDRYX828w9Q/sDCfPr4c89C2XuaeOeJxjZc+V2EhKo+28cOcS0vje8kL MWftbrmtmgSGyVsgLQ0sqNgRD4DOtQV2q2x7u8eaP4KwWhBPDEksIYK4s1GGAodaMc FovLDs6urgBLg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PH1Lq2n5kz9rxK; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:54:27 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87cz6k5njc.fsf@yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:255728 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> Please, do not use appeal to ridicule. > > But that's the point. > > Most people will find ridiculous that the following paragraph: > > Other people use ``kill files'', but we here at Gnus Towers like > scoring better than killing, so we=E2=80=99d rather switch than fight.= They > do something completely different as well, so sit up straight and pay > attention! > > makes the subsequent four paragraphs describing score files less clear: No, the first paragraph does not make the following paragraphs less clear. My problem with this paragraph is different: if contains technical information that is hard to understand without understanding the joke. > Asking us to delete every joke that someone finds confusing is not far > from those lines, and is in fact a very slippery slope leading directly > to that proposal. I am not asking to delete every single joke. I am asking to change or delete the jokes that impair ability of the manual to explain the technical information. Note that I specifically listed concrete jokes in the initial report. --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at