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From: Thuna <thuna.cing@gmail.com>
To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
Cc: 72328@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#72328: [PATCH] Nested backquote in pcase
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:43:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v80o14by.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877cd4rxqo.fsf@web.de>


>> > And this change would break the symmetry between `backquote' the macro
>> > and backquote patterns in `pcase'.  This is an important design idea.
>>
>> I am not quite sure why you think that this breaks symmetry with the
>> backquote macro;
>
> We want that something like this works as expected:
>
> #+begin_src emacs-lisp
> (let ((a 1) (b 2))
>   (pcase `(69 foo (97 ,a ((,b))))
>     (`(69 foo (97 ,a ((,b))))
>     (list a b)))) ==> (1 2)
> #+end_src

I feel like there is a possible misunderstanding.  I am not preventing a
backquote pattern from going deeper into a list.  Your example would
remain perfectly consistent under the new behavior.  What *wouldn't*,
however, is something like

(let ((a 1) (b 2))
 (pcase `(69 foo `(,bar ,,a ((,,b))))
   (`(69 foo `(,bar ,,a ((,,b))))
    (list a b))))

Which currently errors on two counts: 1. ,,a in the pattern first
expands the initial , as though it escape the backquote pattern (not the
one before (,bar...) but the one before (69...))  and tries to match the
object - which is (\, 1) - against the pattern ,a which is of course
nonsense so the macroexpansion fails.  2. ,bar in the pattern tries to
match the corresponding object - which is (\, bar) - against the pattern
`bar' which binds the object - once again (\, bar) - to `bar'.

Do you disagree that the result of this form should also be (1 2)?

> I think it's obvious what I mean with symmetry between backquote and
> pcase backquote without giving a formal definition.

Unless our definitions of symmetry are different, the example above is a
clear situation where the current behavior does not have symmetry with
the backquote macro.

> It indeed gets ugly when one wants to match a non-constant
> backquote expression using a backquote pcase pattern with partial
> unquotes (the "mixed case").
>
> But making pcase backquote patterns less expressive just to make this
> special case simpler doesn't make sense to me.  OTOH I agree that having
> a convenient solution for this kind of problem would be nice.

The drawback of this new behavior would be that you could not match,
say, the unevaluated object ``10 against ``<some-pattern> where
<some-pattern> indicates an integer, as ``,,(pred integer) would match
against a `(,'\` (,'\, ,(pred integer))).  We can still match it, but
only with the same ugly syntax as before: `(,'\` ,(pred integer)).

While this is not ideal, I still consider the new behavior an
improvement.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-29 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-28  0:40 bug#72328: [PATCH] Nested backquote in pcase Thuna
2024-07-28 14:52 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-07-28 15:51   ` Thuna
2024-07-28 16:02     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-28 16:20       ` Thuna
2024-07-29 16:03     ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-07-29 16:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-30  7:45         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-08-03  0:07           ` Thuna
2024-08-03  5:59             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-03 13:22               ` Thuna
2024-08-04 17:10                 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-08-04 21:27                   ` Thuna
2024-08-05 11:52                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 19:32                       ` Thuna
2024-08-06  8:21                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-08-06 11:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-06 13:09                           ` Thuna
2024-08-07  3:33                             ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-08-07 11:53                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-07 17:34                               ` Thuna
2024-08-08  5:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-23  3:25                                   ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-08-23 14:49                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-08-23 16:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-23 19:11                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-08-23 19:29                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-07  7:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-07 12:24                                               ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-21  9:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-22 13:30                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-22 14:16                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-22 15:21                                                     ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-23 11:16                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-24 18:02                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-25 19:04                                                           ` Adam Porter
2024-09-26  6:13                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-26 14:05                                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-09-26 20:41                                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-08-23 20:19                                         ` Thuna
2024-07-29 17:43       ` Thuna [this message]
2024-07-29 19:05         ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-07-29 20:45         ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-07-29 20:59           ` Thuna
2024-07-30 17:53             ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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