From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Jacobson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: when options)mule)set-coding-system is unselectable Date: 01 Aug 2002 07:32:28 +0800 Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87u1mflbhv.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <87heixepdh.fsf@jidanni.org> <7263-Sat20Jul2002212329+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <878z3yi5ni.fsf@jidanni.org> <200207280242.g6S2gZk11379@aztec.santafe.edu> <877kjfwy1n.fsf@jidanni.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028159793 32074 127.0.0.1 (31 Jul 2002 23:56:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17a3KR-0008LD-00 for ; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 01:56:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17a3Kx-0006X5-00; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from sjc3-1.relay.mail.uu.net ([199.171.54.122]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17a3KC-0006VN-00 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:56:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.fu-berlin.de by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mail.fu-berlin.de [160.45.11.165]) id QQmzyl13194 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:56:16 GMT Original-Received: by mail.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.2.0.98) from Curry.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (160.45.10.36) with esmtp id ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:56:14 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: by Curry.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from news.fu-berlin.de with bsmtp id ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:56:14 +0200 (MEST) Original-To: gnu-emacs-bug@moderators.isc.org Original-Path: 61-227-47-113.hinet-ip.hinet.NET!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Original-Lines: 51 X-Orig-NNTP-Posting-Host: 61-227-47-113.hinet-ip.hinet.net (61.227.47.113) X-Orig-X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1028159774 36257432 61.227.47.113 (16 [99749]) X-Orig-Path: 127.0.0.1!nobody User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:3044 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:3044 I'm posting here because my posts to emacs-devel bounce because I bet I am Asian Spam. > all I know is the user feels the current file is in the wrong coding > system. he finds options)mule)set-coding-system ... apparently just > what he needs, but low and behold, unlike everything else on the menu, > it is curiously unselectible, leaving him with nowhere else to turn. > > Just the command he needs, and it is unselectible. > > If there were a menu item "visit again in new coding system", > would that make it clear what to do? There you go. I guess one doesn't get to idol status for nothing. RMS has solved the problem. Add an additional menu item or sub item... By the way, my previous golden keystrokes bounced (because I'm Asian Spam), so here's a replay so that they don't get wasted: To: rms@gnu.org Cc: emacs-devel@moderators.isc.org Subject: Re: when options)mule)set-coding-system is unselectable From: Dan Jacobson Date: 30 Jul 2002 08:46:26 +0800 DJ> Well, the simplest thing to do until a better solution is found, is to DJ> have its lights turned back on, but a big balloon message pop if the DJ> user does select it, with the above "Wrong move..." message inside, DJ> suitably rephrased. RMS> I don't understand that in concrete terms. Would you please make RMS> a concrete suggestion? all I know is the user feels the current file is in the wrong coding system. he finds options)mule)set-coding-system ... apparently just what he needs, but low and behold, unlike everything else on the menu, it is curiously unselectible, leaving him with nowhere else to turn. Just the command he needs, and it is unselectible. If this was microsoft, at least a paperclip would jump up and tell him what things he might do at this point... So, make it selectable, triggering the emacs paperclip. Something, anything instead of "sorry, the vending machine is out of your selection, pick another selection".... wait, we don't even get that (vending machine...) message out of emacs here, just an unlight selection. -- http://jidanni.org/ Taiwan(04)25854780