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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:95885 Stefan Monnier writes: ... > Ideally BibTeX's C-M-h should not be rebound, and instead > beginning-of-defun-function and end-of-defun-function should be set in > such as way that mark-defun marks the same text as bibtex-mark-entry. I did not yet test it good enough but your idea worked out of the box, beginning/end-of-defun and mark-defun seem to recognise bibtex entries already properly without further ado! :-) >> I would like to volunteer and also argue that point 2) i. e. putting >> point *behind* a marked element(s) and advancing the marking from point >> is advantageous for large elements (pages, defuns, paragraphs), when the >> marked elements might span outside of the current window and the marking >> commands are repeated. In this case the buffer is scrolled >> automatically with the new boundary and possible additional marking >> targets become visible. > > Of course, C-SPC M-C-e M-C-e M-C-e would work about as well in that > case ;-) And one better - in my opinion - C-M-S-e C-M-S-e ... (But the two methods are only working like C-M-h when point is already at the beginning of a defun.) Anyway, I understand now that it might be better to have two ways of advancing a region: From point with navigation commands *and* from mark with marking commands like C-M-e or M-}... Dieter -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Darmstadt, Germany