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[94.62.139.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k3-v6sm14167098wro.9.2018.11.10.04.46.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sat, 10 Nov 2018 04:46:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Sat, 10 Nov 2018 11:54:46 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:152246 Archived-At: Andreas Schwab writes: > On Nov 09 2018, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > >> @@ -1104,7 +1104,9 @@ lisp-indent-function >> (cond ((or (eq method 'defun) >> (and (null method) >> (> (length function) 3) >> - (string-match "\\`def" function))) >> + (string-match "\\`def" function) >> + (or (not (derived-mode-p 'emacs-lisp-mode)) >> + (macrop (intern function))))) > > Why is a defining function required to be a macro? Do you know any that aren't? Of course you can name a function however you want, and give it your own "definition" semantics, but if you want to do it in the lisp sense, generally the properties of macros are good: 1. They are evaluated at compilation time, so the byte compiler can understand the uses of your new definition down the line; 2. The arguments of a macro don't get evaluated unless you want them to, which is crucial for defining formal arguments. Jo=C3=A3o PS: a defining function can also be a special form, which also has the above properties