From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: miha--- via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56508: Suggestions for the "Help" menu Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:26:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87tu7mspm7.fsf@miha-pc> References: <83wncjxdcx.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20066"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 56508@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 12 10:16:32 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oBB4J-00050U-4z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 10:16:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39924 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBB4H-0003ID-V5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 04:16:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48136) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBB3r-0003Fr-EZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 04:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47689) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBB3q-0003Wy-Db for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 04:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oBB3q-00068i-A2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 04:16:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 08:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56508 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 56508-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56508.165761372923541 (code B ref 56508); Tue, 12 Jul 2022 08:16:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 56508) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2022 08:15:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41584 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oBB3I-00067c-OW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 04:15:28 -0400 Original-Received: from kamnitnik.top ([209.250.245.214]:37964) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oBB3G-00067U-A4 for 56508@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 04:15:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kamnitnik.top; s=mail; t=1657613725; bh=VI07koh727cFBVbWBBdrfq8tpN8esOFcxCqeyURAeWw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=iruuInGJVSLsLqw0RouMZ9tZeFegQenhD3ItDqVd41b9X6ylrkb1Aw3UywF+fGYo8 G0WLTnIs15eEC9y3sm/WY1hiqBFBs32ycA6SPiCj3fFFbWBwosu99ipcQ4mHNMg5uc GEBpBbZz18LfpmFOrOVEsBJGHpA+F+Z7g1e1jyQ/jSHWo7bYiY6psVGpLpcRi1P7QZ IvygaEAC66vrgwRbzMhgWmboxBtpfAq+jsVLhE9VCyVaUOHg+C2v1mNQ7/AG05mtqW R3IrWP9qJzIDTikeF8kenbaSQdsLNLliB7Fp4LbrMGvTEmGe60BZISUfIzfaTr6JzD qApnxWAQ1JRiQ== In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:236747 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Stefan Kangas writes: >>> 5. "Describe Coding System Briefly" under "Describe" -- is this >>> useful? I just get this cryptic message here: >>> >>> F[U:],K[U:],T[U:],P>[=:],P<[=:], default F[U:],P>[U:],P<[U:] >> >> It's completely understandable here: File encoding, Keyboard encoding, >> Terminal encoding, Process encoding (input and output). > > I don't doubt that you understand it, but I don't think many new users > will. I don't understand almost any of it myself. For example, what > does "=:" mean? And what does "default" mean? > > This looks like a power-users tool, not like something that belongs in > the help menu, to me. Perhaps we could replace it with "Describe Coding System", that is, the describe-current-coding-system command, which shows an easier to understand *Help* buffer. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJHBAEBCAAxFiEEmxVnesoT5rQXvVXnswkaGpIVmT8FAmLNMFATHG1paGFAa2Ft bml0bmlrLnRvcAAKCRCzCRoakhWZP+kND/0U8kUZVfANYkGdq6+DjAj6otDtHZNc GVxydS462mpNAzdOs/pszdM0UmWNaIIgAwvkRPz5m/cZZzDJpdIoBe0pph9wzLSp EyB3uuOIaNRmUiQD0gXHcU2bMKi2JzFdbeaKYPEHLoTzy7vc1l5tdUxG8RKkA3NY mjMZu0E9dd4zxspKR3IyFYXmAsprh04avtblBYmPy4EX/Oo4Trj6F/RK/tIFpvs9 XbHeUZ4jnf0ODsEIMHo9ajOe3Y4iT59P6o+7YAJR0/PWSV+sAwYmjTU2mlo3D8UU yPeoDDzm3gFg7qLOZCLOpGMovAVXEWSKdSpThg4R6K1vAwDVje9es22FCd87XU5X fatNPnWmLTI/39RIb6U7e8mzFKjkLDDrP9UvpHuwui67N8wTImXzviswmw0PqNJy KwJ8Ra5ksRZskc9bCAEyR0aqJCL+6v5twYKHzpBnI9UWWZxsjxnOd1QNpu93aFl4 KMNbQU5d7Ym+0J3V90acs/guiVZefgTXZnW/JWu/lGXgxH1QkrBjdWJsW2oF03lD yYEciruXgLHyBTBRhdLqIGpbvnEeKujN9pxk1L03Xn36hZwWpc+rTj2aZk6RLroB EVW3bxhoNPg++nvAMzkvyYDFH4f7W7vAkyvWjjinZEfBdjfBH1y6KSEhbVZp9MYw pjgvCeiwrQfVzg== =+vuB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--