From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:01:50 +0000 Message-ID: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32764"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: 61325@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 06 17:02:23 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pP3wk-0008KJ-QB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 17:02:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP3wb-0008RQ-N1; 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Apparently, at least some users find the style of these sections insulting. While I do not object jokes per se, I do note that for a person outside USA context or, sometimes, for a person inside USA context, jokes in the listed section are simply distracting from understanding the described topic. 3.15 Exiting Gnus has Note: Miss Lisa Cannifax, while sitting in English class, felt her feet go numbly heavy and herself fall into a hazy trance as the boy sitting behind her drew repeated lines with his pencil across the back of her plastic chair. I am not sure if it is a joke. I only feel confused about what information this note is trying to convey. Also, at least one other user find this section insulting. Further, the last sentence in =E2=80=98z=E2=80=99 Suspend Gnus (=E2=80=98gnus-group-suspend=E2=80=99). This doesn=E2=80= =99t really exit Gnus, but it kills all buffers except the Group buffer. I=E2=80=99m n= ot sure why this is a gain, but then who am I to judge? is implying what? Is it just a joke? Or is it saying that the function is useless? Discouraged? I am confused. 3.16 Group Topics If you read lots and lots of groups, it might be convenient to group them hierarchically according to topics. You put your Emacs groups over here, your sex groups over there, and the rest (what, two groups or so?) you put in some misc section that you never bother with anyway. You can even group the Emacs sex groups as a sub-topic to either the Emacs groups or the sex groups=E2=80=94or both! Go wild! Forgetting about trying to joke around the word sex (the topic, often negatively received by, at least, some Muslim users), I simply feel disoriented while trying to read this paragraph. I can understand the first sentence. Is the rest of the paragraph a joke? Or are there useful pieces of information coded inside? After reading this info section, I feel that the amount of attempted jokes is larger than the amount of useful information. This is distracting (even though I do not mind an occasional joke, personally) 8 Scoring has Other people use =E2=80=9Ckill files=E2=80=9D, but we here at Gnus Towe= rs like scoring better than killing, so we=E2=80=99d rather switch than fight. They do something completely different as well, so sit up straight and pay attention! For me, this paragraph is meaningless. For US users, it is some kind of word play around sexual behavior, I guess. At least some users find "we .. like scoring better than killing" uncomfortable. I object jokes that make people feel uncomfortable. Also, I fail to understand what "kill files" really refers to here. Also some USA-specific context? Or is it Emacs killing concept? Deleting files on file system? --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at