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[89.114.142.98]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h16-20020a5d5490000000b002c8476dde7asm9321850wrv.114.2023.04.09.07.43.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 09 Apr 2023 07:43:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874jppb388.fsf@tcd.ie> (Basil Contovounesios's message of "Sun, 09 Apr 2023 14:21:43 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:259522 Archived-At: Basil Contovounesios writes: > The CI probably installs anew each time it runs, whereas I was hinting > (sorry for not making it clearer) at the case where a local user updates > pip packages over time.=20=20 Well, I'm a "local user" updating pip packages overtime, and used that command and it worked (i used to to rev up pylsp to 1.7.2). Anyway, we were talking EMBA anyway, which is a CI system installing it anew each time. >> Who knows? Did you try it? > > I only tried the aforementioned patch at the time. > > I was just clarifying for posterity that the issue may well have lain > with a component of pylsp rather than the version of the server itself, > which is what this discussion focused on. Sure, could be. Any number of things could have been it. I've just forcibly uninstalled autopep8 here and I just got one failure, not all that Michael reported. The one thing that could have solved it was never even tried. >> If it works i would have been happy to accept it Noone proposed >> it. Instead, some truly vague and complex vapourware things were >> proposed. > > That earlier proposals were not complete, optimal, or up to yours or > anyone's standards does not warrant degrading them, IMO.=20=20 - vague: there are no details, just the idea of "checking if the server is up to the job". =20=20 - complex: whatever its elusive nature is, probably more complex than (skip-unless (executable-find "pylsp")) - vapourware: 0 code So no degradation or even standard-checking going on here. Primarily because there was absolutely nothing brought forth to degrade or to check standards on. Also FTR, I wasn't the one who suggested I was doing other people's homework. > Like you, we're all here just trying to improve Emacs in whatever way > we can. Sure. I believe thanked Michael multiple already for taking an interest in Eglot's tests. If I didn't, I do so again. And I thank you too, of course. But it's certainly not "whatever way we can" if you obstinately refuse to even try the one-liner suggestion of your interlocutor that would probably fix the EMBA issue. The academically postulated, never-demonstrated, "larger" issue of Emacs developers running Eglot tests and facing non-determinism w.r.t to external programs (why not w.r.t. cosmically induced bit-flipping, for that matter?) probably cannot ever be fixed in this universe. Jo=C3=A3o