From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7260: 24.0.50; DEL screwed up Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:47:48 +0900 Message-ID: <87sjzyp6u3.fsf__22115.7919652343$1287766112$gmane$org@catnip.gol.com> References: Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1287766112 3085 80.91.229.12 (22 Oct 2010 16:48:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 7260@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 22 18:48:30 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P9Kn7-0004Oz-BH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:48:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35461 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P9KN3-0007te-11 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:21:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33679 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P9KEe-0004ni-Vx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:14:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P9KEX-0000pk-QS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:12:48 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:57026) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P9KEX-0000pg-Nb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:12:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P9Jni-0003pd-5a; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:45:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Miles Bader Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7260 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 7260-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7260.128776224514702 (code B ref 7260); Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:45:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7260) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2010 15:44:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P9Jmn-0003p5-D7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:44:05 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P9Jmg-0003oj-EI for 7260@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:44:04 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.154.125.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.154.125] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1P9JqP-0003wz-Gn; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:47:49 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8152ADF8E; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:47:48 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:52:05 +0200") Original-Lines: 23 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:45:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:41070 Archived-At: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > I wasn't present when the discussion to make `C-x C-x' do these things > took place, but it seems like the current behaviour conflates to rather > different actions -- exchange-point-and-mark, and activate-region. How > about just decoupling them altogether, and let `C-x C-x' revert to > (only) doing what it's always done, and add `C-x C-a' for > `activate-region'? How about not doing that? I don't disagree that having a dedicated key might be more logical/elegant/whatever, but user interfaces, after all, are more about what's convenient and familiar than what's the most minimal. Saying "(only) doing what it's always done" is simply _wrong_ at this point, because C-x C-x has had its current functionality for quite a while -- if I interpret what I see in git correctly, at least since 1993! -Miles -- Conservative, n. A statesman enamored of existing evils, as opposed to a Liberal, who wants to replace them with new ones.