From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ivan Shmakov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19068: Mail file vars aren't derived from customized message-directory Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 06:54:47 +0000 Message-ID: <87sie9c79k.fsf@violet.siamics.net> References: <87a90hgij3.fsf@building.gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423896988 13902 80.91.229.3 (14 Feb 2015 06:56:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 06:56:28 +0000 (UTC) To: 19068@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 14 07:56:17 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YMWeH-0002lV-6q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 07:56:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58949 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YMWeG-0007ch-9V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:56:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51975) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YMWe9-0007cN-Jg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:56:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YMWe5-0005sB-1J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:56:09 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:51384) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YMWe2-0005s2-UN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:56:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YMWe2-0005JK-Dx; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:56:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ivan Shmakov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 06:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19068 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 19068-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19068.142389690820355 (code B ref 19068); Sat, 14 Feb 2015 06:56:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19068) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2015 06:55:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42623 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YMWd6-0005IB-B4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:55:07 -0500 Original-Received: from fely.am-1.org ([78.47.74.50]:43658) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YMWd0-0005Hf-6U for 19068@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:55:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=siamics.net; s=a2013295; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:Sender:References:Subject:To:From; bh=mFlKT24nGN0M9iS8OdAewmrI8SelK37PSniszIWD8Bw=; b=mefJWtu1LJTTL+RdYZsAmMKlYHYXSNYRRIsNOfczyS9GIsuCmMDPyjFBxl/JAnHRxM1w/t6+ajDa8IRMHjUUfRag9lMQHRDPhbMNJDxb0GpLjOohxTl1bcd/i48Wf8kqb2pdtc2PoWSOQg+3c4/WFs2veJkszATBBwrlEtqfsDg=; Original-Received: from [2a02:2560:6d4:26ca::1:1d] (helo=violet.siamics.net) by fely.am-1.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YMWcy-0006m7-A3 for 19068@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 06:54:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=violet.siamics.net) by violet.siamics.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YMWcp-0000pD-RK for 19068@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:54:47 +0700 Mail-Followup-To: 19068@debbugs.gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87a90hgij3.fsf@building.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 14 Feb 2015 16:37:52 +1100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:99353 Archived-At: >>>>> Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> The docstring for message-directory says =E2=8C=9CDirectory from which = all >> other mail file variables are derived=E2=8C=9D, which is misleading bec= ause >> it implies that if you customize that variable, all other mail file >> variables will be changed to match your customization. [=E2=80=A6] > I don't think there's a bug here to fix, so I'm closing this report. I tend to agree that the docstring is misleading; either it should be fixed to provide more detail on the current behavior (say: =E2=80=9CSetting this variable after 'message is loaded has no effect on the derived variables, though.=E2=80=9D), or the current behavior should be changed so that the =E2=80=9Cderived=E2=80=9D variables remain based on this variable=E2=80=99s value, irrespective of when the latter is set. >> Fixing this requires either the other vars to be changed into >> functions that dynamically derive pathnames from message-directory, Which is what the patch I=E2=80=99ve suggested earlier [1] should do. [1] news:877fw4jsal.fsf@violet.siamics.net http://debbugs.gnu.org/19068#msg32 [=E2=80=A6] --=20 FSF associate member #7257 http://boycottsystemd.org/ =E2=80=A6 3013 B6A0= 230E 334A