From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:34:22 +0100 Message-ID: <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458498931 3843 80.91.229.3 (20 Mar 2016 18:35:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 18:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 19:35:15 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ahiC1-0003ha-AK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sun, 20 Mar 2016 18:35:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 18:34:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55806 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahiBL-0002W4-24 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:34:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:65421) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahiBJ-0002Vq-S2 for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 14:34:30 -0400 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.27]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MejSy-1aSFjL2ytc-00OHGC; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:34:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:25:11 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:xwuLqVtZuW37UZgQ2vAUAX4dPHVabVOt/biOgFL94gJA99CiGaT 4kNn56bkfL6ROvvoR3wGWHft2BYB0q+dDukYzRwn2SUGyYeH2ICbLQ9LiAC+lAE+rNckzj+ zQY/DJvd9TiPQjvaivE3qFSlO6+Q62BHYF2F8scG/5vx0sIRgb7Ff8u/WWgOY9s5/pUtf+6 SQFND99B78XXqULapzcow== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:dDUcpOGGRXs=:H8dGespLT/HihDJC/g7Ocm 8QVhBwsF+LofLyHZcxDSgRZAWY1qm6QTfX2C/T4TnyIMaics8VIaUuWVvz5cvydD9apAjbLuX WBKprL6bP3Upl4BDH8gnz5EiNeVk4sPNfoIdJXwjBI/fe75bTt/7R3zfFUjZua229jFIjAfjn WckCgt6IfNfStlxm4tuYNkVlCIYGTevzJYyaT70FjjxaKNWf7hwJ02B9cLJrp2XQL0+Ot87tA zWOthY0nTRTAUqDJLTKgmAF0CVyvtKPOWd3WDZI9fpYW9OxL1RM8LAwvjlZXCeKbHuKEOwQ7A VZy6D1ji7c3D1UFb5xZDWuFRUYrVXa3G4awGTD3IP7Ld4oQEs61QO5SDj02G9vkfkTxIF4lQn hTqhIjJhPC2bu3eNTXVC02C0qHYl3tEPg6hR7orfGgcp3dwZrtT8E9xIVZHOQq218AoX80SqJ J39zpDbvKXgJYiuyktivuQ8WWJeCiyrJ1b2Sn1ZXEqbKn9um+Wz+bcygIL8gy46esP+89o9eX VFsjHWqUKwUnsTgyPrwBsJkrc7+7pcNEzSDfbtWW0dIcNv9vwSqsN+EDx5C4hhWd/+N15oDkK oNdO/eZuXCPH4fFhF7wXgGi3Jg3udZf2abot0EPHk9U4Lufz97Ap/Nr3v2ja9qcwVaS4yFWQm o6Z+Eswh49ZT0hLjUPVvsG6We75h8HzFWOZRwxYmRIy9VQXL9VKPijkCo6NAqZFR+SI78ww7A ZOaQqhUV/m6hJCqyBQilVtkH8msw4k1vtwoRhVNdDKYUJmEHUozwbgCEay8R3qvpESgWFZR6 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115163 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 03/20/2016 08:21 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > > > I think it's simpler that way: `global-eldoc-mode' adds its stuff to the > > global hook bindings. Thus toggling the global mode has an instant > > effect on all buffers. The globalized local eldoc mode would only have > > an effect in new buffers or after changing the major mode. > > That's not true: turning off a globalized mode turns off the related > minor mode in all buffers. So, instant effect as well. Right, but turning on is different, right? > The current implementation, however, is not "simpler": both modes set > up hooks. For some reasons, they also do that in slightly different > ways. I mean, conceptually simpler (slightly). But that's surely a matter of taste. > > What exactly is this bug report about (this question, or the > > statement in the subject, for which you didn't provide a recipe)? > > I did provide a recipe, in the bug description. I thought you mean a lighter, but you mean the effect of eldoc mode: echoing in the echo area with "ElDoc is displayed", correct? I see that too in emacs -Q, but global-eldoc-mode is on by default, so this is expected. You get eldoc echoing when either the local mode is turned on for this buffer, or the global mode (and the current buffer is treated by the global mode). Don't you see this, or do think this behavior is wrong? Michael.