From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Colin Baxter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32578: Remove "joke" from drag events documentation Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 08:49:57 +0100 Message-ID: <87sh2w5m56.fsf@yandex.com> References: <87h8jc2ue4.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1535615582 4827 195.159.176.226 (30 Aug 2018 07:53:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 07:53:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: Chris Shea , , 32578@debbugs.gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 30 09:52:57 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvHlB-00016M-4c for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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h=From:To:Cc:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:Message-ID; b=n+pjbORR7560016mJty5ru2zZ50edQsKUZS+HdkSM4D/LBAuagepbNLSfqGaOzyZU 8moGx/ughMfpJdexzWLbP8l73a+7ECjTxP5uI7II9+AB1rnfCKWNnaxzignUWmQO27 65nwzu/GDgcVXAw/s44xfMG1MJhOBpi0J5LBOywI= Authentication-Results: smtp3p.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com X-Face: -P+89ASh_wrs;AUGm`!l[}/o-lyK}5W.gq\fkJ{#d6Gu,hWrZNz::iMm5PJb} __A96]-LUrl)X=uF=V|\3-\9/sXvBs/H In-Reply-To: <87h8jc2ue4.fsf@mbork.pl> (Marcin Borkowski's message of "Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:20:03 +0200") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACwAAAAMCAIAAACWSshgAAAABmJLR0QA/wD/AP+gvaeTAAAA hklEQVQ4je2UwQ3CQAwEh8gR3IGolQ5TAr3w4mIT8wAa8PLM/nc1stc+LAvTRFmPO9db3Q5sYL1j Vo+IIxeJgQBrjXmuR4wTXYNwEDbxP5k7mXW/B6tGEGARWkSgBRBgmdIkMhHcAPm5DqWYa+OsQezF /OlbTAnCcQ3iBTaG9LZH8NQgNngDnag2wOvtnJ4AAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:149860 Archived-At: >>>>> Marcin Borkowski writes: > On 2018-08-29, at 19:29, Chris Shea wrote: >> Hello, >> >> This patch removes an unnecessary and unwelcoming joke from the >> drag events documentation. Documentation should be informative >> and inclusive. > I'm a bit on the fence about this. On the one hand, I remember > seeing the joke some time ago and finding it hilarious. On the > other hand, I remember feeling good about removing other jokes > from Emacs sources, which were _really_ offensive. This one seems > to be far, far from offensive anyway, and if anyone feels offended > by this, they probably well deserve it. Disclosure: I know (and > often tell myself) jokes about groups of people _I_ belong to > which are probably much more "offensive" than this one (though > obviously I may be biased). I can provide a sample on request. > I don't see how the relevant portion can be seen as not > informative. > BTW, I am now coauthoring a book on pretty advanced mathematics > (nonlinear analysis), and we try to put quite a lot of jokes into > it. Well-placed jokes do not make a book/documentation less > informative, but more pleasant to read. (Unfortunately, there is > nothing about "drag events" in the book.) > If I were to made a decision, I would probably (a bit reluctantly, > but still) leave it, so that Emacs does not succumb to the idiocy > called "political correctness". > Best, > -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl I agree with Marcin's comments and would add that a joke is hardly a bug. Perhaps the original poster should place the suggestion elsewhere, maybe emacs.devel? Best wishes