Which produces this: mod-hook-text-prop (1 4), inhibit? nil mod-hook-change-fun (1 4), inhibit? t mod-hook-ov-prop (# nil 1 4), inhibit? t mod-hook-change-fun (1 1 3), inhibit? t mod-hook-ov-prop (# t 1 1 3), inhibit? t mod-hook-change-fun (1 1), inhibit? t mod-hook-change-fun (1 4 0), inhibit? t I think we need to emphasize the difference in this case, it's rather confusing. > I'll answer the rest of your post later, I've got a lot on in Real Life > at the moment. No rush. I've updated the patch based on your and Eli's feedback.