From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3540: Please reserve a ctrl-key combination for interoperability Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:41:17 +0100 Message-ID: <87sgmmme1e.fsf@marxist.se> References: <1244771200l.4854l.2l@mofo> <87y2xye4nz.fsf@mbork.pl> <0d884621-5d6e-47c6-8a0e-d70d4c09f15e@default> <87tv8lek8p.fsf@mbork.pl> <014ff1d6-9e7e-4bdf-88ed-eefc9133353d@default> <8736g1epls.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="15568"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 3540-done@debbugs.gnu.org, "Karl O. Pinc" To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 17 21:42:14 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iWRN6-0003u5-9b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:42:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56256 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWRN4-00019R-Kj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:42:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33943) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWRMx-00017y-SX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:42:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWRMw-0007cX-RO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:42:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:33910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWRMw-0007cJ-O2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:42:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWRMw-0007ec-LH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:42:02 -0500 Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: cc-closed 3540 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Mail-Followup-To: 3540@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, kop@meme.com Original-Received: via spool by 3540-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D3540.157402329629381 (code D ref 3540); Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:42:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3540-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2019 20:41:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42729 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWRMT-0007dn-64 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:41:33 -0500 Original-Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:57914) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iWRMQ-0007dW-Tm for 3540-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:41:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=6uTu+KaXM4Gn8vycEzo7j3PS9ylKr1IAIYIl0Zhf6ZY=; b=CyETYE2IjzfS/5e+eFODA4n6JW /MEZ976gfu0STlNeiAoHUqkegv9eTD7ii0naFy0OJxlZmEmTEy0xZpb734oOYV+UjUcTcllS2j7PL ugrj0oOSsyLa6F+tMuiCwOB/qtdGepncP6c6RriLMDjqx145bQQ1cdP/X6+iN+zejLJlSYabjnlGr 9JCgVOlWtUtcrZLAcy8/DOEBvU/jaRXBIZn1vuxe8M9JeKKEcXvI7qGfVRkEq7AuBoUgnt7/lefVY 7zuASGGT0sTa8QxYRXIrZx8/jHxAjbA6Pmw5myQkoqjLbel9G6V/3y95smRGahYNzMcZtmGUN5sYv ng/tuQaA==; Original-Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:36934 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iWRMG-000jPC-2R; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:41:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:04:10 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:171856 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Marcin Borkowski writes: > >> Psychologically, many people hesitate to rebind default keys for various >> reasons. While it is unreasonable for the manual to suggest binding >> particular keys to particular commands, I would find it very reasonable >> to encourage users to customize Emacs, including rebinding keys - also >> the defaults. > > To my mind, the manual already covers what you discuss above. The > "Intro" section says: > > =E2=80=9CCustomizable=E2=80=9D means that you can easily alter the beh= avior of Emacs > commands in simple ways. For instance, if you use a programming > language in which comments start with =E2=80=98<**=E2=80=99 and end with = =E2=80=98**>=E2=80=99, you can > tell the Emacs comment manipulation commands to use those strings (*note > Comments::). To take another example, you can rebind the basic cursor > motion commands (up, down, left and right) to any keys on the keyboard > that you find comfortable. *Note Customization::. > > That said, we can of course always do better. I believe it would be > easier to discuss a more concrete proposal. Would anyone be willing > to propose a patch? Since no one has proposed any concrete changes within 5 weeks, I'll go ahead and close this bug. As I write above, we already highlight the possibility to change key bindings in the "Intro" section of the manual. There also didn't seem to be any big enthusiasm for reserving any new key bindings either. If anyone disagrees with that, please reopen the bug. Best regards, Stefan Kangas