From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hendrik Tews Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#45438: 27.1; please fix misleading documentation for assoc-delete-all Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:04:00 +0100 Message-ID: <87sg7sgtz3.fsf@cert.kernkonzept.com> References: <87zh21fsb3.fsf@cert.kernkonzept.com> <87blehcyai.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10969"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) To: Richard Stallman , Lars Ingebrigtsen , 45438@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 26 22:05:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ktGkQ-0002k4-QS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:05:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50044 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ktGkP-00046U-OL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:05:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52950) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ktGkI-00046K-7e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:05:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ktGkI-0001rr-0C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:05:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ktGkH-0003o9-Rh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:05:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Hendrik Tews Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 21:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45438 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 45438-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45438.160901664614431 (code B ref 45438); Sat, 26 Dec 2020 21:05:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 45438) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2020 21:04:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60002 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ktGjN-0003kh-Lm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:04:05 -0500 Original-Received: from serv1.kernkonzept.com ([159.69.200.6]:59629 helo=mx.kernkonzept.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ktGjL-0003kM-Lc for 45438@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:04:04 -0500 Original-Received: from ip5f5a9a82.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([95.90.154.130] helo=cert) by mx.kernkonzept.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) id 1ktGjK-0005sy-9Q; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:04:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=cert) by cert with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1ktGjI-0008wB-Tr; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:04:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:28:00 -0500") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:196775 Archived-At: Hi, > Whether it is worth doing the work to make it better, I have no > opinion. Maybe it is better to do other work instead. There is a connection to bug#45437, which see. I agree that it is questionable to go back in time and annotate all functions with precise information when they had been added. However, I believe you should - change your development process such that, in the future, version information for functions and variables is recorded - not ignorantly closing issues such as 45437, when a couple of people spent several hours to debug a problem that takes you only 5 minutes to fix. Or how long will it take you to add one sentence to the documentation of make-temp-file? Or how many hours of other people do you want to waste by saving 5 minutes on your side? I now and then contribute to Proof General, which aims to support about 3 major emacs version. Please advise how one can develop backward compatible elisp code when the version in the function documentation is non-present, plain wrong or misleading. Best regards, Hendrik