From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1598: Please add easy key bindings for outline-(minor-)mode Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 17:04:09 +0200 Message-ID: <87sg0amjkm.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87hc53i0p1.fsf@iki.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28834"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 1598@debbugs.gnu.org To: Teemu Likonen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 19 17:05:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m5UpV-0007I0-Lb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 17:05:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52612 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5UpU-00071H-Ky for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:05:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40234) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5UpK-00070z-L5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48244) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5UpK-0008Um-DD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5UpK-0008U5-9p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:05:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1598 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 1598-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1598.162670706132524 (code B ref 1598); Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:05:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1598) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2021 15:04:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59782 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Uof-0008SW-Ic for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:04:21 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45984) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Uoc-0008SC-UW for 1598@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:04:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=9RtXMSegBObcp5j4j+iLnjoebB0BNzACyxkDoD28xf8=; b=iug0ajSE6h6E96ew0cWyqABQtU Riq8YsEsHK4j7oSk9By9RdH5dkIbhDq+OwyyAjJ8RasdTdgiuE1dVJH16bP/MBAVIvxlw7Akb+m4L mMn+Gy7niHnl7GISSYbSRHcNhbvA4rYxjk1TsRXbh/7SQ2AAB3tnvlTd8LOecCEgH+Uw=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m5UoU-00081r-9f; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 17:04:12 +0200 X-Now-Playing: Colored Music's _Individual Beauty_: "Heartbeat (Previously Unreleased Version)" In-Reply-To: <87hc53i0p1.fsf@iki.fi> (Teemu Likonen's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:57:14 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:210255 Archived-At: Teemu Likonen writes: > The default key bindings for outline-mode and outline-minor-mode are > difficult to remember and slow to use. I think the main reason is that > there are way too many different key-bindings to operate with outlining. > > I suggest that you make keys like M- and M- to act modally > so that they open and close one outline level at the time depending on > which levels and bodies are currently visible. In addition to that, and > to make outline navigating easy, M- and M- could move the > cursor to previous and next visible outline header. (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately wasn't resolved at the time.) I agree that the outline commands are pretty awkward... but outline minor mode is used in a large number of major modes, and has to be consistent throughout all those modes. So M- can't really be used for this, I think. So I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no