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Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29108: 25.3; ERC SASL support Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:28:38 -0800 Message-ID: <87sfirml89.fsf__34873.6787143693$1668058165$gmane$org@neverwas.me> References: <87h8ud92zl.fsf@gmail.com> <874jx4h6sk.fsf@neverwas.me> <875yhifujk.fsf_-_@neverwas.me> <87edw4swdk.fsf@neverwas.me> <878rljxfxs.fsf@neverwas.me> <87k04m4th8.fsf@neverwas.me> <87o7thlepf.fsf@neverwas.me> <87iljovkgo.fsf@disroot.org> <874jv81bn2.fsf@neverwas.me> <87iljoqaor.fsf@disroot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7830"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Adam Porter , 29108@debbugs.gnu.org, bandali@gnu.org, emacs-erc@gnu.org To: Akib Azmain Turja Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 10 06:29:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ot07o-0001pW-Et for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 06:29:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ot07d-0002Ey-BO; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 00:29:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ot07a-0002EJ-Vg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 00:29:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ot07a-0005nw-Ml for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 00:29:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ot07a-0006cC-J1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 00:29:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "J.P." 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Is it because I use pass? Because you took to emacs-devel to air your frustrations and share some code, which made me hopeful that you might be willing to direct that energy toward solving these problems in a productive and practical way. >> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=58985 > > Hmm, looks like I was CC'ed, but I didn't notice. :( > I will try to review the patches. I also replied directly to your initial email on emacs-devel: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-11/msg00334.html > Yeah, auth-source-pass is indeed just a hack, a terrible one. I needed > to apply a few advices on that auth-source-pass make it work at least > reasonably well for me uses. > > Fix auth-source-pass will require the existing API of it (which the > Emacs package "pass" uses) and may even need complete rewrite. I didn't realize that the Melpa package pass required password-store (and thereby auth-source-pass). TIL. > But Adam Porter (CC'ing), the maintainer of ement.el (available on GNU > ELPA), a Matrix client, claims that auth-source is from the dark side[1] > and refused to support it claiming it's not suitable for general use[2]. If you don't mind, I'd rather not discuss any gripes you may have with auth-source generally on this bug thread. And please direct any further discussion regarding both auth-source-pass and (to whatever extent it's relevant) auth-source, to bug#58985. Thanks. >> Based on your email to the devel mailing list, it seems you have some >> experience (or at least opinions and interest) in that area. Please take >> a look if you haven't already, and then volunteer to help get some >> improvements in tree before Emacs 29 is cut. > > Thanks for the reminder, otherwise I would have just missed that > discussion. > > Anyway, when the Emacs 29 branch is going to cut? I have some changes > (semantic highlighting of code) waiting to merge to Eglot (now in core) > for about six months. I have got the paperwork to sign about ten days > ago, but due to some (personal) problems it's taking some time to sign > it. I really want to make it into Emacs 29, instead of 30. All I've heard is that Emacs 29 will be cut "later this month." Regarding your paperwork situation, I feel your pain but sadly have nothing useful say on the matter (not that this bug thread is the right place for that). >> Also, I've noticed someone on Libera with the nick akib pop into #erc on >> occasion. Please don't hesitate to say hi if that was in fact you. > > Yeah, that's indeed me. Cool.