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Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29108: 25.3; ERC SASL support Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 13:50:24 -0800 Message-ID: <87sfiq7a3j.fsf__13406.5990847134$1668117088$gmane$org@neverwas.me> References: <87h8ud92zl.fsf@gmail.com> <874jx4h6sk.fsf@neverwas.me> <875yhifujk.fsf_-_@neverwas.me> <87edw4swdk.fsf@neverwas.me> <878rljxfxs.fsf@neverwas.me> <87k04m4th8.fsf@neverwas.me> <87o7thlepf.fsf@neverwas.me> <87iljovkgo.fsf@disroot.org> <874jv81bn2.fsf@neverwas.me> <87iljoqaor.fsf@disroot.org> <87sfirml89.fsf@neverwas.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6521"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: 29108@debbugs.gnu.org, bandali@gnu.org, Akib Azmain Turja , emacs-erc@gnu.org To: Adam Porter Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 10 22:51:19 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1otFSB-0001Qe-2c for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 22:51:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1otFRv-00013a-Cx; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:51:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1otFRu-00013R-CP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:51:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1otFRu-0006gc-0S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:51:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1otFRt-0004uB-TV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:51:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "J.P." Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29108 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 29108-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29108.166811703618823 (code B ref 29108); Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:51:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 29108) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2022 21:50:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44551 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1otFRT-0004tX-HJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:50:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-108-mta91.mxroute.com ([136.175.108.91]:33373) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1otFRR-0004tJ-OJ for 29108@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:50:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-111-mta2.mxroute.com ([136.175.111.2] filter006.mxroute.com) (Authenticated sender: mN4UYu2MZsgR) by mail-108-mta91.mxroute.com (ZoneMTA) with ESMTPSA id 1846385da800006e99.002 for <29108@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256); Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:50:27 +0000 X-Zone-Loop: bd4f320834eef8e40f00944d503c1fdbc0738ba8c78b X-Originating-IP: [136.175.111.2] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=neverwas.me ; s=x; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To: Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/9kkh+UqevD4imGMgROgWt63TgDpf9LLNJQogdTlMTY=; b=IXZlRPwL1yni5SMlch7TMe7myW TAaFDXS/q0m4/EkBbysLrGQgXMylojozqAAIbTtNYrXaIn4FNCS4bIPtz7JdTEbz+L6qeY+IADZFP lR+0IgN4KHlAOSqUUFnGu8cPU3wmIxXnuGSNT/ryQATFPHrDcIxIMRCkdN9L4xVvWJLvVqRPVwy4z BK0m3KjwQ0/zvC78MOHigvIqTCMkgHkFB+Dp/LhtAQQ0UGXDVJPHTs/7LBzK8RuuMnYVJza9XerSe FHTUL0e+eY352DiAsLdlaRObA4T6FwEe8uBzwWfjW5QxkK9dlxaxx3iihDYbujzoIZq67kF30e7Q9 6Qu6FcKQ==; In-Reply-To: (Adam Porter's message of "Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:04:09 -0600") X-Authenticated-Id: masked@neverwas.me X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:247551 Archived-At: Adam Porter writes: > On 11/9/22 23:28, J.P. wrote: > >> Akib Azmain Turja writes: > >>> But Adam Porter (CC'ing), the maintainer of ement.el (available on GNU >>> ELPA), a Matrix client, claims that auth-source is from the dark side[1] >>> and refused to support it claiming it's not suitable for general use[2]. > > Please note: I did not expect to be mentioned in this way here. It's not my > intention to speak poorly of others' software, especially in public. In the > Reddit post I made, I tried to be objective and show the problems clearly with > code examples. That's certainly the impression I got, and I regret not having said as much sooner. Sorry you had to burn cycles on a dignified defense. At the same time, I'm hopeful folks will find the restraint to chalk this up to a teachable moment and attribute Akib's bit of ambush editorializing (something I myself have been guilty of over the years) to the angst of youth or a moment of weakness, both potential engines of productivity when channeled in a more positive direction. > And that is merely my opinion, of course, based on the shortcomings I noted > (e.g. the lack of API to update a secret, the undocumented error-handling > signals, etc). I expect that, were I to use it in my software, I would end up > working around these problems and answering users' support questions about > them; and since I don't use it myself, either, it doesn't seem like a good > idea to do so. > > Nevertheless, it's clearly used by a number of people and third-party packages > that integrate with it, so take my opinion of it with a grain of salt. If it > seems useful to you, by all means, use it. Thanks for your work on Emacs.