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From: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 63865@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#63865: 29.0.90; call-process while owning the X selection hangs other processes
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 08:12:34 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sfb8m6fh.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ierh6roafsu.fsf@janestreet.com> (Spencer Baugh's message of "Sat, 03 Jun 2023 08:30:57 -0400")

Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com> writes:

> "Emacs can not respond to selection requests when it is not reading
> keyboard input." sounds like a bug to me!  Even if it's hard to fix,
> it's still a bug.
>
> If I'm implementing some package and I decide to use call-process for
> some long operation, then some user uses my package and it runs
> call-process, and they get bored while waiting and switch away from
> Emacs, they'll experience a hang in some other application.  That hang
> seems clearly undesirable!
>
> (I should mention that Slack (and possibly all Electron applications)
> have worse behavior than I originally said: They don't just hang on
> paste, their UI hangs completely while Emacs is in call-process.  (I
> guess these applications are constantly requesting the selection or
> something?)  Which is an extremely bad experience for the users of
> packages which use call-process...)
>
> I'm personally working around this by replacing call-process with
> start-process and accept-process-output.  Because otherwise my packages
> (and any other package using call-process ever) will cause random hangs
> in other applications, which is obviously bad and not something anyone
> would want.
>
> So perhaps call-process on Unix should be reimplemented in terms of
> those functions?  Or if that would change behavior too much, perhaps
> call-process should be deprecated in favor of some new helper built on
> those?

Do you expect completely arbitrary Lisp code (which may perform _any_
operations, including reading user input) to run inside call-process?
Because Emacs runs such code upon receiving a selection request.

Hangs in badly implemented programs are a small price to pay for such
flexibility.  Try getting a clipboard manager: it may resolve the issue.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-06-04  0:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-03  1:55 bug#63865: 29.0.90; call-process while owning the X selection hangs other processes Spencer Baugh
2023-06-03  6:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-03  7:11   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-06-03  9:12     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-03  9:31       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-06-03 11:10     ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-03 11:16       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-03 12:07       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-06-03 12:30         ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-03 12:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-03 13:10             ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-03 13:48               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-03 14:12                 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-03 14:24                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-03 14:41                     ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-03 15:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-03 15:34                         ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-03 15:50                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-04  0:18                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-06-03 16:21               ` Andreas Schwab
2023-06-03 17:03                 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-06-03 17:07                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-04  0:15                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-06-04  0:13               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-06-04  0:12           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2023-06-23 14:26 ` Spencer Baugh

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