From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65734: [BUG] kill-whole-line on folded subtrees [9.6.8 (release_9.6.8-3-g21171d @ /home/w/usr/emacs/0/29/0/lisp/org/)] Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:05:19 +0000 Message-ID: <87sf35pcds.fsf__6556.5606391587$1704896373$gmane$org@localhost> References: <87il8pao4l.fsf@whxvd.name> <87tts8vrpb.fsf@localhost> <83cyyw4of7.fsf@gnu.org> <875y4ovct9.fsf@localhost> <875y04yq9s.fsf@localhost> <875y02y0da.fsf@localhost> <87frz6w2zt.fsf@localhost> <83cyu9nyea.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35565"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 65734@debbugs.gnu.org, manikulin@gmail.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, iota@whxvd.name To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 10 15:19:25 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZQS-000906-Qj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 15:19:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZQC-0001sx-3U; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:19:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZQ8-0001ru-25 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:19:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZQ7-0001gV-Q5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:19:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZQ6-0000ti-Cg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:19:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65734 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 65734-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65734.17048963103409 (code B ref 65734); Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65734) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2024 14:18:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39391 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZPa-0000sv-FF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:18:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:47355) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZPY-0000si-K0 for 65734@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:18:29 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3FEF240105 for <65734@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:02:09 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1704891729; bh=SHN1UZQC9P6BJazx29fbd7I0CzZwJM9h9y4cjq+QXM8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=Bwrvppq/Qfmvxxx2FIj05KiTUjJoEOer7ZIUPC7ngOzzuV0YLNGQg03vfMlpQTC3t zgSf7+zMQlkArmuz0Xzom3AUZ3ajzYEcWFmf4XSKFnhCwO/aUGbQBubYsfenwCpDLJ 5nhzQpSvzfS9zUZUdMUZhRVhUBkWxucPK3p3+1t1JzmvEtqBchTGA+BxMGSK37O+hh Sul4JnqQjepae4n+grrep9fpc1M9dI3Gh8ERI5NBcJVUel3qFCPW2nE85eAO0ugiHK BPmil4Z0nYbCNsMUrLIZQvhMVXf6WuUyZ7znUdplyBIfkmmixxZQSgqF7r8845lz6e Tf+AN8N+6FZaA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4T97HM6kcLz6twp; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:02:07 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <83cyu9nyea.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:277750 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Eli told me in the past that Org mode should not remap keys. >> See the discussion branch starting at >> https://yhetil.org/emacs-devel/8735gfs3is.fsf@localhost/ > > I said that remapping widely-used keys to commands that behave > significantly differently places a non-trivial burden on users, > especially on those who use the remapping mode relatively rarely. Sure. From which I concluded that Org mode should avoid remapping and instead prefer other means to adjust the behaviour of standard Emacs commands. Then, we discussed that Emacs commands to not always provide enough toggles. So, I am asking to add one in this thread. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at