From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8050: Gnus does not connect to my IMAP server any more Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:27:52 -0600 Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87r5aw9g87.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1298655437 6438 80.91.229.12 (25 Feb 2011 17:37:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:37:17 +0000 (UTC) To: <8050@debbugs.gnu.org> Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 25 18:37:11 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt1bJ-0003Ut-3e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:37:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52829 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pt1bH-0006we-M7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:37:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58257 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Pt1b7-0006tS-81 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:37:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt1b0-0006jv-6w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:36:57 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:54296) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt1b0-0006jq-41 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:36:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt1SV-00072R-C7; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:28:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Ted Zlatanov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:28:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8050 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 8050-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8050.129865488227052 (code B ref 8050); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:28:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8050) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2011 17:28:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt1ST-00072D-GD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:28:01 -0500 Original-Received: from chirelay1o.jumptrading.com ([38.98.147.153] helo=chirelay1.jumptrading.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt1SS-000722-5o for 8050@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:28:00 -0500 Original-Received: from chirelay1.jumptrading.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by chirelay1.jumptrading.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 8CE83320016 for <8050@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:27:54 -0600 (CST) X-AuditID: 26629395-a26cabb00000455d-58-4d67e69ae385 Original-Received: from chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com (unknown [38.98.147.140]) by chirelay1.jumptrading.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 3F71E2DC003 for <8050@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:27:54 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.29) by chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.291.1; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:27:53 -0600 Original-Received: from tzlatanov-ubuntu-desktop.jumptrading.com ([10.2.14.81]) by internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:27:53 -0600 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110014 (No Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2011 17:27:53.0592 (UTC) FILETIME=[5581C780:01CBD511] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:28:03 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:44366 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Sending my replies as a digest. They didn't show up after a few hours; sorry if you see duplicates. Ted --=-=-= Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="==-=-=" --==-=-= Content-Type: message/rfc822 Subject: Topics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Topics: Re: bug#8050: Gnus does not connect to my IMAP server any more Re: bug#8050: Gnus does not connect to my IMAP server any more --==-=-= Content-Type: message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:21:45 -0600 From: Ted Zlatanov To: ding@gnus.org Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#8050: Gnus does not connect to my IMAP server any more Message-ID: <87hbbs4awm.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87y655bnr4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wrkobutr.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:29:36 -0800 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: LMI> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> You may want to edit the line in case you want to change it before it's >> written. Lars also thought this was not good but I feel strongly this >> is useful functionality and it's not too intrusive. LMI> I think it's definitely too intrusive. LMI> The question that's relevant is "do you want to save the password?" LMI> That's the only thing a normal user could possibly be interested in, and LMI> it's a yes or no question. I disagree. It's a single extra letter in a y/n prompt. I don't see how it's intrusive. You can set auth-source-never-save to t right now and never even see the y/n prompt. I've accomodated all the prompting suggestions but I'm not removing that functionality. LMI> Asking the user to "e"-dit the netrc line would be for Gnus to prompt LMI> the user on `C-c C-c' "do you want to (s)end the message or (e)dit the LMI> MIME representation of the message before sending?" The latter is only LMI> interesting for people who are implementing the MIME encoding, and not LMI> any user. The same goes for the .netrc stuff. No, because the netrc file is not raw data but structured information. (Although that kind of editing the raw MIME sounds very useful for debugging and testing MIME support.) It's like adding a command to edit the score file or having two ways to edit the topic parameters (`G c' and `G p'). Emacs thrives on power users; let's not oversimplify the interface. LMI> If you want to add a debugging mode to auth-source that allows you to LMI> edit the .netrc lines, that's fine, but it's not fine to confuse users LMI> on something as basic as password management. It's not confusing. But maybe `e' should be "add the auth info and then edit the netrc file, allowing `C-c C-c' to save it" which would be more in line with what `G p' and score file editing do. And then we can add that command to Gnus and Emacs in general so you can edit your auth-sources authinfo/netrc files quickly (in the global scope you would have to choose the file with some extra UI). Yeah, that sounds like useful functionality. Ted --==-=-= Content-Type: message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:50:24 -0600 From: Ted Zlatanov To: ding@gnus.org Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#8050: Gnus does not connect to my IMAP server any more Message-ID: <87zkpk2v0f.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87y655bnr4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wrkobutr.fsf@gnus.org> <87hbbs4awm.fsf@lifelogs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:21:45 -0600 Ted Zlatanov wrote: TZ> I disagree. It's a single extra letter in a y/n prompt. I don't see TZ> how it's intrusive. You can set auth-source-never-save to t right now TZ> and never even see the y/n prompt. I've accomodated all the prompting TZ> suggestions but I'm not removing that functionality. I changed `auth-source-never-save' to `auth-source-save-behavior' which defaults to 'ask and allows t and nil to always and never save, respectively. I think it DTRT but let me know if not. 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