bug#8779: 24.0.50; save-buffers-kill-terminal called with two args?

bug#8779: 24.0.50; save-buffers-kill-terminal called with two args?

[thierry]

Hi all,
sometimes, when i quit emacs i have:

save-buffers-kill-emacs: Timed out waiting for reply from selection owner

Can't reproduce at every time, but many times during last 2 days.

M-x debug-on-entry RET save-buffers-kill-emacs
=>
Debugger entered--entering a function:
  save-buffers-kill-emacs(nil)
* save-buffers-kill-terminal(nil)
  call-interactively(save-buffers-kill-terminal nil nil)

This show error at everytime in emacs -Q




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 of 2011-05-31 on thierry-MM061
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bug#8779: 24.0.50; save-buffers-kill-terminal called with two args?

[David De La Harpe Golden]

On 01/06/11 06:41, thierry wrote:
> Hi all,
> sometimes, when i quit emacs i have:
>
> save-buffers-kill-emacs: Timed out waiting for reply from selection owner
>
> Can't reproduce at every time, but many times during last


Please see bug #8760, it is likely your issue too:
http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=8760

However, you may be running a different desktop environment, so: What 
desktop environment (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, ...) and what version of it are 
you using, if any?

 > M-x debug-on-entry RET save-buffers-kill-emacs

Your subject line may stem from a misinterpretation of the debugger 
output (the call-interactively bit is the showing three args to 
call-interactively, one of which is save-buffers-kill-terminal, not two 
args to save-buffers-kill-terminal)?

bug#8779: 24.0.50; save-buffers-kill-terminal called with two args?

[Thierry Volpiatto]

David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> writes:

> On 01/06/11 06:41, thierry wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> sometimes, when i quit emacs i have:
>>
>> save-buffers-kill-emacs: Timed out waiting for reply from selection owner
>>
>> Can't reproduce at every time, but many times during last
>
>
> Please see bug #8760, it is likely your issue too:
> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=8760
Yes it is the same.

> However, you may be running a different desktop environment, so: What
> desktop environment (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, ...) and what version of it are
> you using, if any?
GNOME 2.32.1

>> M-x debug-on-entry RET save-buffers-kill-emacs
>
> Your subject line may stem from a misinterpretation of the debugger
> output (the call-interactively bit is the showing three args to
> call-interactively, one of which is save-buffers-kill-terminal, not
> two args to save-buffers-kill-terminal)?
yes right.

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bug#8779: 24.0.50; clipboard manager problem on gnome?

[David De La Harpe Golden]

On 02/06/11 05:51, Thierry Volpiatto wrote:
> David De La Harpe Golden<david@harpegolden.net>  writes:

>> Please see bug #8760, it is likely your issue too:
>> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=8760
> Yes it is the same.
>
>> However, you may be running a different desktop environment, so: What
>> desktop environment (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, ...) and what version of it are
>> you using, if any?
> GNOME 2.32.1


Erk. Gnome hasn't shown problems previously, at least not with its 
normal builtin clipboard manager (in gnome-settings-daemon). The way 
xfce fixed their problems was by basing their new clipboard manager on 
gnome's!  However, I do not see any problem with gnome 2.30.2 on my 
system.  I don't know what gnome version Chong Yidong was testing with.

Just in case: Are you running anything else "clipboard related" on your 
system? Say an alternative/extended clipboard history (may show up as a 
little clipboard icon in your system tray).

bug#8779: 24.0.50; clipboard manager problem on gnome?

[Thierry Volpiatto]

David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> writes:

> On 02/06/11 05:51, Thierry Volpiatto wrote:
>> David De La Harpe Golden<david@harpegolden.net>  writes:
>
>>> Please see bug #8760, it is likely your issue too:
>>> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=8760
>> Yes it is the same.
>>
>>> However, you may be running a different desktop environment, so: What
>>> desktop environment (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, ...) and what version of it are
>>> you using, if any?
>> GNOME 2.32.1
>
>
> Erk. Gnome hasn't shown problems previously, at least not with its
> normal builtin clipboard manager (in gnome-settings-daemon). The way
> xfce fixed their problems was by basing their new clipboard manager on
> gnome's!  However, I do not see any problem with gnome 2.30.2 on my
> system.  I don't know what gnome version Chong Yidong was testing
> with.
>
> Just in case: Are you running anything else "clipboard related" on
> your system? Say an alternative/extended clipboard history (may show
> up as a little clipboard icon in your system tray).

AFAIK no.

After updating Emacs, i didn't have this message anymore, but emacs is
slow to quit.

On an emacs -Q, debug-on-entry on save-buffers-kill-emacs show always
same error.

Also, i am using ubuntu 11.04.

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bug#8779: 24.0.50; clipboard manager problem on gnome?

[David De La Harpe Golden]

On 03/06/11 07:41, Thierry Volpiatto wrote:

> After updating Emacs, i didn't have this message anymore, but emacs is
> slow to quit.

You mean you updated from the bzr trunk, not applied any patches? If so, 
what bzr revision number?  As savannah's been having problems I'm not 
quite sure I'm running the latest trunk (r104481 in my case), but I 
don't see any changes that should be relevant - i.e. I don't think the 
exit-after timeout adjustment as discussed in #8760 has been committed yet.

Can you now actually copy in emacs, then close emacs,  then paste into 
other apps the text you copied in emacs?  (wondering if you somehow have 
a strangely "slow" clipboard manager that minor fluctuations have now 
brought within your rebuilt emacs' timeout period)

Did you logout and in again (i.e. a new gnome session) in the meantime? 
(might have restarted the daemon emacs is trying to talk to - 
gnome-settings-daemon in the usual gnome case)

> On an emacs -Q, debug-on-entry on save-buffers-kill-emacs show always
> same error.

What error do you mean?  The earlier output you showed was not an error, 
just a pretty normal call stack, you'd have to step through a fair bit 
from the entry to save-buffers-kill-emacs before hitting the point where 
emacs tries to talk to the clipboard manager (and that's in C anyway).

bug#8779: 24.0.50; clipboard manager problem on gnome?

[Thierry Volpiatto]

David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> writes:

> On 03/06/11 07:41, Thierry Volpiatto wrote:
>
>> After updating Emacs, i didn't have this message anymore, but emacs is
>> slow to quit.
>
> You mean you updated from the bzr trunk, not applied any patches? If
> so, what bzr revision number?  As savannah's been having problems I'm
> not quite sure I'm running the latest trunk (r104481 in my case), but
> I don't see any changes that should be relevant - i.e. I don't think
> the exit-after timeout adjustment as discussed in #8760 has been
> committed yet.
104480

> Can you now actually copy in emacs, then close emacs,  then paste into
> other apps the text you copied in emacs?  (wondering if you somehow
> have a strangely "slow" clipboard manager that minor fluctuations have
> now brought within your rebuilt emacs' timeout period)
Yes

> Did you logout and in again (i.e. a new gnome session) in the
> meantime? (might have restarted the daemon emacs is trying to talk to
> - 
> gnome-settings-daemon in the usual gnome case)
Usually i hibernate, but yes i had to logout/in these last days.

>> On an emacs -Q, debug-on-entry on save-buffers-kill-emacs show always
>> same error.
>
> What error do you mean?  The earlier output you showed was not an
> error, just a pretty normal call stack, you'd have to step through a
> fair bit from the entry to save-buffers-kill-emacs before hitting the
> point where emacs tries to talk to the clipboard manager (and that's
> in C anyway).
Yes you're right, that's due to the timeout in this case.

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bug#8779: 24.0.50; clipboard manager problem on gnome?

[Chong Yidong]

David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> writes:

>>> However, you may be running a different desktop environment, so: What
>>> desktop environment (KDE, GNOME, XFCE, ...) and what version of it are
>>> you using, if any?
>> GNOME 2.32.1
>
> Erk. Gnome hasn't shown problems previously, at least not with its
> normal builtin clipboard manager (in gnome-settings-daemon). The way
> xfce fixed their problems was by basing their new clipboard manager on
> gnome's!  However, I do not see any problem with gnome 2.30.2 on my
> system.  I don't know what gnome version Chong Yidong was testing
> with.

I'm also testing on 2.30.2.

bug#8779: 24.0.50; clipboard manager problem on gnome?

[Chong Yidong]

Thierry Volpiatto <thierry.volpiatto@gmail.com> writes:

>> Can you now actually copy in emacs, then close emacs,  then paste into
>> other apps the text you copied in emacs?  (wondering if you somehow
>> have a strangely "slow" clipboard manager that minor fluctuations have
>> now brought within your rebuilt emacs' timeout period)
>
> Yes

Have you noticed any other applications being slow to close?  If it's a
misbehaving clipboard manager, Emacs should not be the only client
affected---but maybe it's waiting longer than most.

Also, could you just double check by reducing x-selection-timeout and
seeing if it has any effect?  (Maybe x_clipboard_manager_save_all should
bind x-selection-timeout to a smaller number, at the risk of losing
clipboard contents...)

bug#8779: 24.0.50; clipboard manager problem on gnome?

[David De La Harpe Golden]

On 03/06/11 07:41, Thierry Volpiatto wrote:
 >>> GNOME 2.32.1

> Also, i am using ubuntu 11.04.

So I remembered it's the future, and I brought up a fresh install of 
ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386 in a kvm vm.

Under the "Ubuntu Classic" (i.e. real gnome) session, afraid I can't see 
the issue.

I couldn't test the full "Ubuntu" session (i.e. ubuntu's "Unity" 
...thing) as it needs 3d hw.

I installed and tested their "Unity 2D" session though, no issue (it 
still has a normal gnome-settings-daemon running).

Which of the above are you using?  Probably the first, but just thought 
I should check - it's still possible that the session I can't currently 
test does something funny, though I doubt it.

So the issue may well be local to your machine and/or caused by some 
extra thing you have installed. It doesn't seem to be an issue with 
gnome 2.32.1 in general.

bug#8779: 24.0.50; clipboard manager problem on gnome?

[Thierry Volpiatto]

David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> writes:

> On 03/06/11 07:41, Thierry Volpiatto wrote:
>>>> GNOME 2.32.1
>
>> Also, i am using ubuntu 11.04.
>
> So I remembered it's the future, and I brought up a fresh install of
> ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386 in a kvm vm.
>
> Under the "Ubuntu Classic" (i.e. real gnome) session, afraid I can't
> see the issue.

I use this one.

> I couldn't test the full "Ubuntu" session (i.e. ubuntu's "Unity"
> ...thing) as it needs 3d hw.
>
> I installed and tested their "Unity 2D" session though, no issue (it
> still has a normal gnome-settings-daemon running).
>
> Which of the above are you using?  Probably the first, but just
> thought I should check - it's still possible that the session I can't
> currently test does something funny, though I doubt it.
>
> So the issue may well be local to your machine and/or caused by some
> extra thing you have installed. It doesn't seem to be an issue with
> gnome 2.32.1 in general.

Ok thanks, i will try to investigate more as soon as possible.

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bug#8779: 24.0.50; clipboard manager problem on gnome?

[David De La Harpe Golden]

On 05/06/11 06:52, Thierry Volpiatto wrote:
> David De La Harpe Golden<david@harpegolden.net>  writes:
>> So the issue may well be local to your machine and/or caused by some
>> extra thing you have installed. It doesn't seem to be an issue with
>> gnome 2.32.1 in general.
>
> Ok thanks, i will try to investigate more as soon as possible.
>

So, um. Following Jan D.'s discovery under bug #8869 [1], I can in fact 
reliably replicate that emacs-side issue under Ubuntu.  Thierry, 
depending on _how_ you exit emacs or close frames, your issue may really 
be the same problem. If you routinely use the window's close button 
rather than C-x C-c, for example.

When I was testing, I was always using either the keyboard or my gfx 
tablet which picks up hires movement jitters keeping things working.:-(

[1] http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=8869#35

bug#8779: 24.0.50; clipboard manager problem on gnome?

[Thierry Volpiatto]

David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net> writes:

> On 05/06/11 06:52, Thierry Volpiatto wrote:
>> David De La Harpe Golden<david@harpegolden.net>  writes:
>>> So the issue may well be local to your machine and/or caused by some
>>> extra thing you have installed. It doesn't seem to be an issue with
>>> gnome 2.32.1 in general.
>>
>> Ok thanks, i will try to investigate more as soon as possible.
>>
>
> So, um. Following Jan D.'s discovery under bug #8869 [1], I can in
> fact reliably replicate that emacs-side issue under Ubuntu.  Thierry,
> depending on _how_ you exit emacs or close frames, your issue may
> really be the same problem. If you routinely use the window's close
> button rather than C-x C-c, for example.
I always close emacs with C-x C-c, i use no menu, scrollbar, buttons etc
...

Note that of course setting `x-select-enable-clipboard-manager' to nil
have fixed the problem:

(when (boundp 'x-select-enable-clipboard-manager)
  (setq x-select-enable-clipboard-manager nil))

(I really don't need such feature, i have always an emacs session
running, and even if i close emacs, i don't feel the need of keeping
stuff in the clipboard.)

Thanks.

> When I was testing, I was always using either the keyboard or my gfx
> tablet which picks up hires movement jitters keeping things
> working.:-(
>
> [1] http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=8869#35

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