From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 18:57:49 +0100 Message-ID: <87r3grujj6.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box> <834mdnusem.fsf@gnu.org> <20160205151327.GE7727@acm.fritz.box> <87h9hnjhn0.fsf@udel.edu> <8b27118c-c24b-4961-a5a6-6535dbe14722@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454695106 3241 80.91.229.3 (5 Feb 2016 17:58:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 17:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Mark Oteiza , 22564@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 05 18:58:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aRke6-0007yI-8s for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 18:58:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49729 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRke2-0005K8-BN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:58:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35857) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRkdy-0005Jn-Hh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:58:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRkdu-0006Ft-AO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:58:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54300) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRkdu-0006Fp-77 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:58:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRkdu-0004vR-1j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:58:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Marcin Borkowski Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22564 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22564-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22564.145469507718923 (code B ref 22564); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:58:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22564) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 17:57:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34656 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRkdp-0004v9-L2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:57:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:39200) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRkdn-0004uz-7A for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:57:56 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD3D9D2002; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:57:53 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kWdu6mrn4stn; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:57:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [109.232.24.28]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 99B0F9D2001; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:57:49 +0100 (CET) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.13; emacs 25.1.50.1 In-reply-to: <8b27118c-c24b-4961-a5a6-6535dbe14722@default> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112511 Archived-At: On 2016-02-05, at 16:38, Drew Adams wrote: >> > You mean, there should no longer be a vanilla fundamental mode? I would >> > argue that no "helpful" electric modes should be enabled in FM. At the >> > moment, it appears, we are lacking a What-You-Do-Is-What-You-Get mode. >> > >> > I think electric-*-modes should be disabled in FM unless explicitly >> > enabled by the user in an FM buffer. We've become far too "clever" with >> > all these facilities. >> >> electric-indent-mode is the only electric-*-mode on by default, and I >> never understood why it was enabled. Up until bracketed paste was >> implemented, this issue of indenting pastes had been an annoyance (only >> later on did I realize to disable this electric mode). > > I agree. I disabled it as soon as I encountered it, but I disagree > that users should be subjected to it by default. Especially in > Fundamental mode. +1. Fundamental mode should be Notepad-like as much as possible IMHO. (Incidentally, I almost never use Fundamental mode, exactly because of that.) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University