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[213.30.8.100]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k30sm10562308wrf.1.2018.04.17.03.33.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Apr 2018 03:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <8736zvyopn.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 16 Apr 2018 20:45:56 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:145478 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Robert Pluim writes: > >> It=CA=BCs one of the ways. Some return 451 instead. Some 421. It=CA=BCs = all very >> fuzzy :-) >> >> Oh, and there=CA=BCs an official 'authentication is required' code whose >> value escapes me for the moment. > > Yeah, smtpmail just uses the "relay not permitted" codes to guess that > it's supposed to try again, which aren't exactly official, either. So > adding 450/451/421, too, probably won't break anything. > OK >> BTW, if emacs has credentials for the connection it=CA=BCs making, would= it >> not make sense to attempt authentication before delivery? > > You'd think so... But this might lead to some annoyances in that people > have password-protected their password store, and will now be prompted > for that password even if the SMTP server doesn't require a password. > > If you see what I mean. :-) > I=CA=BCm not sure I follow: the user has a matching machine in authinfo or wherever they keep their passwords, and the SMTP server advertizes AUTH support. Why would we not attempt authentication? > So I'm not sure that change would be welcomed by everybody. That=CA=BCs true. What we have now works for me :-)