From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#63800: 30.0.50; [ELPA] Inaccurate installation instructions for built-in packages Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:04:18 +0000 Message-ID: <87r0qdxnvh.fsf@localhost> References: <87mt1mi6ry.fsf@localhost> <87y1l5q9p9.fsf@posteo.net> <875y89t2a1.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8574"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Philip Kaludercic , 63800@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 15 08:00:20 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q9g1s-00024L-0a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:00:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q9g1d-0006R0-Ru; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 02:00:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q9g1a-0006Qm-RO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 02:00:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q9g1a-0005GY-Gh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 02:00:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q9g1a-0006sx-AN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 02:00:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 63800 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 63800-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B63800.168680877926412 (code B ref 63800); Thu, 15 Jun 2023 06:00:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 63800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2023 05:59:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45992 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q9g1D-0006rw-3p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 01:59:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:36419) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q9g1A-0006rj-1u for 63800@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 01:59:37 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6CD8240027 for <63800@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 07:59:29 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1686808769; bh=0lDBuDOWsQzedUEFAG752OENBDSjuHMIBgYM2hwRzLg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=UGYrk4rmRFROulTblmslhvnm2GLeew/tqbJI4wnNJNRezGPqUTXqNEQl/hRpk9XtQ AYGFO7mVY9i3U5r6tUtFoLxy5vGgGs43UBkjq9XLwc3kUx46eJWcN8oo7Bnj/9xb0X +fiZrk0vyuAJ6FEvCnHB4qpWu7/0LFkYdAThiwYRcjpOFRK1r7lv9dVa+tRq7/LZw5 +wncZ9OEKMZwQNMdYO/nYLGF1cWcMLelyYRdCN1M/ltu/F5PgmTRHh7bcVMWq6+2x0 zZEpf4pEgviQnrRC8rCYHTZReZgwjcHteX7QT5uYxWsE6/8lOTioMhdLvJbpwNcTNk eIO1OOjFnLsiw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4QhWp90JYvz9rxD; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 07:59:28 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:263400 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: >> Sure. But only in Emacs >=29 and it is not mentioned on the ELPA page. >> For Emacs <29 ELPA instruction simply does not work - attempting to >> follow it will just produce unhelpful message that package is already >> installed. > > Is that a problem with the command or with the expectations? > > When Org is built-in, it *is* already installed, isn't it? I have no problem with the command. I have problem with _ELPA page_ mentioning this command for built-in packages. Org is always built-in. If a user goes to ELPA page, she most likely wants to upgrade Org. And ELPA instructions do not tell how to do it. Basically, what ELPA page for Org tells will not work for any common Emacs version in the wild (and will not work for older Emacses that did not ship with Org as well - they are not supported). If you look into my other email, I suggested indicating on the ELPA page when a package is built-in and also add instructions how to upgrade it. That makes more sense _for ELPA page_. This bug is not about `package-install'. This bug is about ELPA web page. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at