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* bug#24283: 25.1; Suggestion: Add to Emacs manual an autogenerated appendix listing packages included with Emacs
@ 2016-08-21 20:31 N. Jackson
  2016-08-22 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 2+ messages in thread
From: N. Jackson @ 2016-08-21 20:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 24283

Users reasonably expect to find documentation of the various parts of
Emacs in the Emacs manual. However, there are components that ship with
Emacs that, in one sense or another, are separate from it, and are not
documented in the Emacs manual. Users looking for documentation for such
a component would fail to find it, unless they happened to be aware of
its separate status. For example:

  src/emacs -Q
  C-h r			; Open Emacs manual.
  i calc RET		; Search for information about Calc.

Result: "No `calc' in index" is displayed in the echo area (and
"user-error: No `calc' in index" is printed to the *Messages* buffer).

Current plans for "core Elpa" or "Elpa core" or whatever are likely to
exacerbate this problem of users failing to find documentation in the
Emacs manual of components that seem to be part of Emacs.

If the Emacs manual had an appendix (which could probably be
automatically generated) that listed all the components that come with
Emacs but are separate, along with a pointer to their documentation, it
would, I think be very helpful.

Then the result of the recipe above could be something like:

  Found `Calc' in Concept Index.  (Only match)

And the text in the entry might say something like this:

  "Calc" is the GNU Emacs advanced desk calculator. Enter `M-: (info "(calc)")' to see the Calc manual.

(I'm sure there's a more elegant way to express that. A link to it would
be even better.)


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