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However, there are components that ship with Emacs that, in one sense or another, are separate from it, and are not documented in the Emacs manual. Users looking for documentation for such a component would fail to find it, unless they happened to be aware of its separate status. For example: src/emacs -Q C-h r ; Open Emacs manual. i calc RET ; Search for information about Calc. Result: "No `calc' in index" is displayed in the echo area (and "user-error: No `calc' in index" is printed to the *Messages* buffer). Current plans for "core Elpa" or "Elpa core" or whatever are likely to exacerbate this problem of users failing to find documentation in the Emacs manual of components that seem to be part of Emacs. If the Emacs manual had an appendix (which could probably be automatically generated) that listed all the components that come with Emacs but are separate, along with a pointer to their documentation, it would, I think be very helpful. Then the result of the recipe above could be something like: Found `Calc' in Concept Index. (Only match) And the text in the entry might say something like this: "Calc" is the GNU Emacs advanced desk calculator. Enter `M-: (info "(calc)")' to see the Calc manual. (I'm sure there's a more elegant way to express that. A link to it would be even better.) 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