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[173.64.88.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f6sm777335qtb.69.2017.08.11.09.22.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 11 Aug 2017 09:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8F62868E57; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 12:22:00 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <2mlgmq14t5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Fri, 11 Aug 2017 11:51:02 -0400") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:135660 Archived-At: Glenn Morris writes: > Mark Oteiza wrote: > >> 1. C-f sem TAB >> >> For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. >> *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to QUERY, was NULL= _TOKEN >> *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to TRUE, was QUERY >> *Warning* default value of <> tokens changed to FALSE, was TRUE > > These 3 warnings are https://debbugs.gnu.org/14524 > >> Shell native completion is disabled, using fallback >> Quit > > Anyway, what exactly is the complaint? > C-h f now uses the definition-prefixes feature to try and load libraries > where needed, and loading libraries may do anything. I suppose the complaint is that "loading" semantic (or whatever happens to get loaded when trying to get help on the semantic-mode function) is invoking a python process. Either some library starts the process when loaded, or=E2=80=A6 well I don't know what's going on. Is there a bug associated with the new C-h f behaviour? Loading libraries unexpectedly sounds bad. Tangentially, the python warning is , and either something got broken again or this never actually got fixed.