From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Live System User Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31990: 26.1; Stuck in loop trying to send bug report Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 05:41:13 -0400 Message-ID: <87pnzyjc92.fsf@aol.com> References: <87muvdabgt.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1531042810 13503 195.159.176.226 (8 Jul 2018 09:40:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 09:40:10 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: 31990@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 08 11:40:06 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fc6Ak-0003Km-8d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 11:40:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36417 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fc6Cr-0004Um-5d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 05:42:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54813) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fc6Cj-0004Uf-TX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 05:42:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fc6Cg-0001rr-Ot for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 05:42:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:42754) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fc6Cg-0001rg-Kv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 05:42:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fc6Cg-0007UN-Dz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 05:42:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Live System User Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 09:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31990 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 31990-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31990.153104290028758 (code B ref 31990); Sun, 08 Jul 2018 09:42:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 31990) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2018 09:41:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50651 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fc6CJ-0007Tm-VT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 05:41:40 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic301-3.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.129.42]:41612) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fc6CI-0007TY-3Y for 31990@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 05:41:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1531042892; bh=LSedFD7PGqLi0WHLB1dGNA3RmjEvzua/pjdKQiMO2bI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=UmHraDNgik3iRQ888C9KqInO8Ctj7T7R+eFFrFAhu/dj6/yXZXoEf1hrvWGRVNYOU4fcHGN1WdleBMcs1BSGAhNlZb6ILLwFu/VVSNHabDT+da4e+eZCkRzZ2qjEDNj7ozLh4Wf4Hf5MdEJmbEOKShdBZOySBF9lBm4QFfActhMUy4iMgJ1QxE5pCMe3arW/GFerHEsfjRIpCH6BBi+2Z3QNM5383ektWcYnmzVKEcVY7JTzFCFjPpGzJA8XmpeUu43DXMyoUH3+9Qfcrkbcpqe0vDIWJcXwJvN5X66z/m2a5Wgon//0Vqg3ZHn3glqKmAGbsLg6lSgOXeB9t8f24g== X-YMail-OSG: ZPI7y.wVM1nMsxR9C4NXVNM157kgGiPBedooFbEpa.IzTWgWUnBgMelFvVIqp6N 5RN.aZ0jw9rG2dDffaYrtNQBPdiTaSY.FyQw4SmiyzYBeB7fm7kJvqQ.G5waDlnxuXzgm1iPHz4s KevPvwiU4_Q3Twr3FyzVCIzz5MuC8oSK.V.6HuFbkX1buG0BdxY9nzureeJ7AB.PgxzYjBAKoaTu wuwQ7BiHYEqayLwyJ1S4YOJwFONbjqGOPTsxB7IB2O7_PxOpGMTkR0_BTSP0chlrNKOic7IUx8RI RQr7cHLHPlvOk8EbSK7B2KQl0GzTPYua288X_6lgCul6mdkvs4zfV4KpamkQ9KAZS.xLRtfH3gcV pnSQImz175gwqrVWIKwGIx7p4.k.JXZq_gRYwlBKnAqCcTCHPKGCrugSDL2ag.rYuC2lxj7rRWq4 MWodY47_NiyoCugGPu0lCntdgKiEa7Eq6HrZnKfhnHhl5Om8_98V2IempdH9PrgDvDHA8wowZ0G. W0do4aGuIDASnx4PF8OtSVe1fKHeAF2.d0eYaSdxFbK2C.dN0KdfnEta6NIqA098UNGMnQgO0hGp hNV2xxhVySVwMaUILELPnveWir3.wD5o12LGflM8sDSlTZWGObWeQ8lBauRtUsEAtbCfHXTx_oTM MaYp6Szl7MBFfTW5PNFL2GHrO3vJvCEEFMk9jSr4oDrkoKMAaVqse.z_L8m5D_4snvBHeF3q7fNt XDAORBcdXSYA5YbWwKXFLzktS4ybAA8UovECJeGULprw.ZzAVXf8RgqSI9TPtyxjfN1taPVm2kdJ Nkbz4XfZTWcUm9qeg3rWn34qxqHV3OQ45NwPmEm5rJ Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2018 09:41:32 +0000 Original-Received: from c-73-16-70-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (EHLO localhost.localdomain) ([73.16.70.190]) by smtp407.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ab76e12a6aa66ceaabcdce4d21e265df; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 09:41:30 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87muvdabgt.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Fri, 29 Jun 2018 16:55:46 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:148330 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: > Live System User writes: > >> >> `Unfortunally not because of Emacs not issuing a STARTTLS command... > > Could you show us your emacs mail configuration? Gnus normally does > opportunistic TLS upgrade, and I thought that was the default for > open-network-stream as well. [1] > > Regards > > Robert > > Footnotes: > [1] I=CA=BCm not a big fan of STARTTLS, as it=CA=BCs vulnerable to > man-in-the-middle capability stripping. I use direct TLS > connections to port 465 instead. Thanks for this footnote. I used it to rule out whether or not STARTTLS was rhe (main) problem, Turns out it wasn't: a direct TLS connrction yielded the same unsuccessful results. This caused me to look more closely at the first SMTP transaction log whicn should have issued a STARTTLS command. Unfortunately, Emacs only records in its *trace of SMTP sesssion to...* buffer the responses from the SMTP server and mot also what commands are sent to it. So while I presumed that a STARTTLS command wasn't being issued because it failed and I wasn't being asked to provide a password, a now closer look reveals that it apparently was sent. So it's failing for another reason which a direct TLS connection helps to confirm. It appears I have a similar problem as Ulrich Mueller which he reported back April of last year in bug#26359; https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D26359 His workaround. a `defadvice` also works for me. Hopefully. a fix will solve these issues and allow one to designatre for a partiular network connection that a password is required (supplied or prompted for) upon an initial connection and not just only after an initial unauthenticated connetion failure; Not sure if this bug report should be merged with bug#26359 as I have more than just one issue or should I open up new bug report for those? =20=20=20=20=20=20 Thanks.