From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25174: C-h v some keymap now gives some numbers instead of the familiar bindings Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:56:01 +0200 Message-ID: <87pnixxe5a.fsf@web.de> References: <87d1gy9vpk.fsf@jidanni.org> <878trk74lw.fsf@jidanni.org> <878spnglld.fsf@gnus.org> <87h84bytq7.fsf@web.de> <874l0bw0h4.fsf@gnus.org> <878spmz9yx.fsf@web.de> <87a7a1pjb6.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="7447"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson , 25174@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 16 10:59:01 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iKf92-0001no-Ti for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1571216154; bh=k1NBgez8/ShSMXI8wFWrQGNxeuuhmzeYVp95xV2RNSo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=CkfFgFAODVa19Cw5c7zyavQ2BHLDh8/Sg5StRccgmow6zuOvojZXonprjMp/mH55Z 3ZTwMdwIMb+Oope6M0ssfSWk4FQoQwTLQW/emlae7V3KscIiBNJKT6bCynn9sHJSI9 AgUqC7CKGFzY01QK10/csNApBYk6FOC1c0ZDZFMc= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MUWCB-1iT9J31a7f-00RIKa; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:55:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87a7a1pjb6.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 16 Oct 2019 03:31:41 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:33yuLpQSNTRaviiQkaUkzBpvEeKh5sfnzcdqpL3IYbMR2bQtpO9 gbk9zb5t3FEU2HYHXeTpig72BYxrCgVX6IsFGEbKZQiKRYRjyoIGaLgc2llkCBCsxXs0ky6 GqU8AFXBdJmQa2ZOk3oDp56ssQ2GGb/KZUW+6wZyk+c6+zxlKtOtHmTXCWTirym0y/6sNCe rXz8fPNHU/OVFAV6d8z6A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:mp+lF5mCVVQ=:UGtJ2fRoT27c6xF3TOzgLE WbNSO0vo0nooqIX7f0W991YelsBa3bnc2AaVCR0fjS6hp7JwtCgv/5H/f6TqnPw0po3RtHgXV ioKAHfclOzoRGusfEe3Ywreo3Mx5JfKhA2kWloIu0aK500iSzeHQOrsiQUjxj/eA41HkmhWkA b3AcZAgtuyUK/vxqXHzgXMoAoI4vPEhT0I/DZJnobPr+VNatSTuJy7ij3flA+xvCZp5aouEU3 41ufSxIyQSehItsWw64q3QRPbXrReYO0LwTtYYD0STzTGvFeR6xOVj09/TPDdFNjXbJXUr6kd lg2Pl5Lfd5u+HpbeKZNS8PwN6gUZVtA5DqjDeFSL32670ltoNQqjJlGwtLlZvBZk52FLhw1XI DneZTUE8KLyq0f+iiegE+b8YfxaiFyfSUgMXoRsgUAzZRRcgh9t0T0swowg2uylaMmlM/FTCl Gwel/1x90mOi2Erm/4HRubeezSj7Rx0VhlXeqETX+hsrd0VsuIIBeN4olti3OP+8lIp20KPrL bocLluoAoKucRlPFPk/HBs5pTa9GaZFiYQ8VcsBoUJ3nyS1YQg+fEIRAbLVVbpmK+DbjJgES2 wYW6/b9J1huP4jjwHsNfrMjKeIZgU9yCe+xs/8tjkdXRB4fvow9L7f0cggUwTl4IZOQKTq07s 2w5sP+X3+ADc5ZlLRT6jA9G++pBANk5iy+F+iVD4eOwaNc7zwulIZcDZeE+fhpS7mNJKVi/2+ Ykguk0cYXcrE1B6TyroRIyPssG5wdVTyn9+pD6fA/L1kU/dJx+gEhEHuTx7dlXbEbImYXbRN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:169426 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Michael Heerdegen writes: > > > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > > >> A keymap is just a list (or vector); C-h v should display it as is. > > > > It would display it "as is", it would just use a syntax like e.g. ?t > > instead of 166. How would that be problematic? > > I think it just sounds a bit confusing. Would users believe that ?t is > something else than 166 just in a keymap context? Why would they? This char syntax is widely used. > And no matter how you display the keymap in `C-h v', it's going to be > pretty incomprehensible. We have just very different opinions here I think. Michael.