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In-Reply-To: ("Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?="'s message of "Wed, 22 Sep 2021 18:48:14 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:215107 Archived-At: On Sep 22 2021, Mattias Engdegård wrote: > I don't think they ever did. The left Command has always been to the right of the left Option (later also labelled alt). That's exctly the problem. What Apple calls the Option key, is the Alt key on ordinary keyboards. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different."