From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48192: forward-word and friends have inconsistent behaviour with Unicode and ASCII punctuation Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2022 13:34:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87pmip6p83.fsf@gnus.org> References: <6D537AD9-6B73-42C6-BA7D-D10071135E66@nonceword.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28023"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 48192@debbugs.gnu.org To: Daphne Preston-Kendal Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 01 13:35:21 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o7Evh-000737-7G for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 13:35:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58852 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o7Evg-0006N4-1a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 07:35:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58962) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o7EvO-0006IU-U4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 07:35:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:42551) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o7EvO-00068t-If for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 07:35:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o7EvO-0004yI-F4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 07:35:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2022 11:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48192 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 48192-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48192.165667528919058 (code B ref 48192); Fri, 01 Jul 2022 11:35:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 48192) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2022 11:34:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36445 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o7EvA-0004xJ-Uc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 07:34:49 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:53970) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o7Ev9-0004x2-FJ for 48192@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 07:34:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=zi0OJPr/vdLos/HEON98xqAslGg2CmIXcj9I/zdPLuU=; b=XwdrY/I+cLmXqc5/rBm9bwWMGH yhkPy5kiGH+BMrvaGU3TTFd+9+aT88xKqAQfzUMRLRmhPuRFhY+loqLt5MttcWqmJyFQG3USyrJis xx+B7nd+/Qq7Z7MEZVYzCUa8nzJ7fk0sa3Z1U5aoMdSfLiJaqPN9MMn6HMmT2Hk+SyTs=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o7Euz-0006NG-Af; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 13:34:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Daphne Preston-Kendal's message of "Mon, 3 May 2021 17:26:44 +0200") X-Now-Playing: Moby's _Reprise: Remixes_: "Go (Moby's Trophy Remix)" X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:235788 Archived-At: Daphne Preston-Kendal writes: > However, the behaviour of considering "don't", "can't" etc. and almost > any English possessive as two words for the purposes of count-words etc. > is undoubtedly wrong for most users in my book. (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) I think it would make sense to make text-mode give =E2=80=99 (RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK) a word constituent syntax, because many people use that character interchangeably with ' (APOSTROPHE). But that's not really the intention behind that character. RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK is to allow quoting like =E2=80=98this=E2=80=99 -- i.e., the= =E2=80=99 is not meant to be used inside words. So changing the syntax here would be controversial since it's "wrong" to use the =E2=80=99 character instead of APOSTROPHE, even though it's common. Does anybody have an opinion here? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no