From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56518: Drop rsh/rlogin/remsh from Ange FTP Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:13:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87pmia74a4.fsf@gmx.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40051"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 56518@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 12 17:14:41 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oBHaz-000AH4-SY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:14:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49472 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oBHay-0002dB-Q4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:13:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 12 Jul 2022 09:55:12 -0500") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:o8qsZGv6GQHo5CTNFwWLtq4gbIRgX18JD3OBNJP1607ZeKPWm3I eB0/3hY7jxdothA4KtCDiOKDNQ3OOqSWZtodwml9C9vMdfzrbGNbecXQax3vayjU3VIuqg7 r7NTVyNu9xfgQccD4Mvicv7H3HCfr3Ytp8aqe9F7Ca4KlJPko4LjTHAp/u0jhb6DAb/rHKE FmFuDJtLOiwe9PK3G6ICA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Ep3TxL/yqU8=:7W7MXcVdT2creq2y9FPZn8 iC/sp05NH3UYL6vkAs+aLitCq9Rv1bd/oIedi99OAq03vHEWP93QeneA4CJoQV8PaW3MvLnrp 6qjh9gbhYaqO+m+FV2ci5MkkPDzVgruplyUKyBZ7puoCfwz0U16m+E8FvyzLPdmPOVRsOHRBP jSz9Lbc/GX/k8rgKrjPr9OWCpRmNmWn0qiTVtqf+eUX1dQlrAELGH5kRZ2OIlcQUOJN/BfAHI 8WvsYKPbjBI/hX4FfCKCIQhH3EsIigaza6gJvRCTz9boaVpUZfWUAWo/oJppfNp7lVCby1w0U mzM62VNIG3AWv90bJDkSTqaHTlOgDotrjzjWWTZihmeguOZiDdAzkW4Bf6i6z7Au1hfQXxieF bk3mKZ+ySyow1BEbrPpumCOIhGo7OGtwSFQjM2uRkq7VyJLkJ8zGAeEXTN8IjmczQJ/iXR9PL CMoOOiy8fUAF1XOYhxqJnUUtaBv6xDXfxOQyjNF60bPU4Ypuat8+y7OaeRG2Bak2Ui6zw4TKj muF7XiiURs3PdyMq1KnVmbcj5UUar8qwpBemBuewvOvbw7DxJxU23cksxFjR30YVaU8+kHW/F R+0CgACtDC0Xn4F5W+KaGXhcjoho7swPe1aUJBxkFMYqC7DisC7FaMu7yRLm2b2riNUSV4tOL KrA7emwiU4kh9FY6X6nMJvx7ym7ZoemxljJhrmAcLIWt5Wt8Gp+1TR6C41j1VXTUYhtLOKEgc y93CExWvSREmi6RsNjYAml3UcFLxzCLUp0Fke93skdgo/KYt3Qjbwql4W1P4TzV0AndPJbDj X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:236813 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: Hi Stefan, > Assuming that Ange FTP is still relevant these days, its documentation > should not be talking about using "rsh", "rlogin" and "remsh" (as they > are obsolete). Please rewrite its documentation to talk about SSH > instead. These programs are mentioned in relation to "gateways". That is, if you cannot access the FTP server from your local machine, you can connect to that gateway (via rsh or alike) and start the ftp client on that machine. I guess we shall remove gateways at all from ange-ftp.el, because I don't know whether they work with ssh or friends. At least, they shall be made obsolete. A proper replacement would be to improve Tramp's multi-hop, and support remote file names like "/ssh:gateway|ftp:server:/path/to/file". Anything goes, but is it really worth the trouble? It won't be trivial. OTOH, I have no idea whether there's still somebody using Ange FTP with gateways. > (I note that Firefox and Chrome dropped FTP support in 2021. > And the FSF has sunset their FTP servers.) Sigh. Best regards, Michael.