From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jonas Bernoulli Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58073: 29.0.50; Uninstalled emacs sends startup messages to stderr Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:15:18 +0200 Message-ID: <87pmfjmqnt.fsf@bernoul.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12316"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: 58073@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 25 17:16:47 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ocTN8-00034e-9P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:16:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47646 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ocTN6-00048a-NV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:15:20 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: none client-ip=212.243.197.30; envelope-from=jonas@bernoul.li; helo=mail.hostpark.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:243602 Archived-At: I usually run emacs without installing it, via a symlink, which is placed on PATH and which points at the executable in the checkout. Due to reasons that aren't important here, I recently had to replace the symlink with a wrapper script, and that resulted in these messages being send to stderr. Loading loadup.el (source)... Dump mode: nil Using load-path (...) Loading emacs-lisp/debug-early... ... Finding pointers to doc strings...done Running the executable directly also results in these messages. I then changed my wrapper script to use an intermediate symlink, with the resulted that the messages were not being shown for a while again, but today I updated emacs again and now the messages are always shown. Using a symlink no longer suppresses them. Are this messages shown intentionally? Is it already possible to suppress them? If not, could something be added to allow suppressing them? (I prefer to run the uninstalled executable, because that allows me to jump to a definition and then immediately view its history.) Thanks, Jonas