From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:38:44 +0000 Message-ID: <87pmam7nqj.fsf@localhost> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <83sffipxn8.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33222"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 06 17:39:20 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4WV-0008Nu-Fj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 17:39:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4WH-0004jD-7i; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:39:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4WG-0004is-2I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:39:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4WF-0002OS-Qn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:39:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4WD-0005ON-Su for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:39:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.167570150320672 (code B ref 61325); Mon, 06 Feb 2023 16:39:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2023 16:38:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49702 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4Va-0005NL-PY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:38:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:53883) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pP4VZ-0005N9-4j for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:38:21 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FC3A2402AB for <61325@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 17:38:15 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1675701495; bh=bdkNUzvMM+WOC8KRdOp7nYsIpfPhaM6CP1jgUXvV2qI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=NHcBlmPasvX7bSgWfOjTNtz/wiCWqv6nL36+SyX3/JvMYy81mJi+1Cj8USzVUMICz G5i3yJ4krdnpve/SMMyBlTxobL3ezcui9/zWZYIDxactZE46RZjFMXS/UthScd4qg7 8duvDCkaF1N4DFYHWAGauLYMKsd92PkPNCd9+AVNadmjHLsYEbworO5daA+dln9cQw actnKnlRFhq7bo29ke089O8WJcXT4Rem+XKlMAxaX64tuyRMOf6fDOACNfREZLn0rv qkVtwAxX5B6drb4lsqxy5q1mwKzAvcrGh988iOIZK1gmro+8ZnzGne0J8JhUhIEObY QOwsIyK8Qjn5g== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4P9X4k24h0z9rxL; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 17:38:14 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <83sffipxn8.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:254974 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I object jokes that make people feel uncomfortable. > > It's a losing battle, but: every joke makes someone uncomfortable. > The only way of making no one uncomfortable is to never joke, and what > a sad world would that be! (Come to think about, the only way to > never make someone uncomfortable is to say nothing at all.) You are overgeneralizing. Some jokes make larger fraction of people uncomfortable than others. There should be a borderline. Of course, drawing a line is tricky. However, the topics like sex and bullying are considered uncomfortable by whole cultures, not just individuals. I judge such jokes as over the border. For comparison, AFAIU, joking around skin colour and race is considered more insulting than joking around sex. In other cultures, the situation is opposite. Would you accept joking around human races on Emacs manuals? >> Also, I fail to understand what "kill files" really refers to here. Also >> some USA-specific context? Or is it Emacs killing concept? Deleting >> files on file system? > > A "kill file" is a filter that discards posts you don't want to read, > ever. For whatever reasons. See > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_file Thanks for the reference. So, this sentence is not a joke. A footnote would help for younger users, who haven't heard about Usenet. (I've heard, but I am not familiar with English segment jargon). -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at