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Ortega Ruiz" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 20:10:13 +0000 Message-ID: <87pm9hlm8q.fsf@mail.jao.io> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <871qlyo9dl.fsf@gentoo.org> <87wn3qvwke.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36334"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: 61325@debbugs.gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZSmb+ihsPMzUlLtCZ3kltVf+APg= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 09 22:09:29 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1paNVw-0009Bj-V2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 22:09:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1paNVX-00031m-KC; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:09:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1paNVW-0002zJ-Ec for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:09:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1paNVW-0003Zn-5T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:09:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1paNVW-0005Zw-0t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:09:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> Resent-From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2023 21:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.167839610221399 (code B ref -1); Thu, 09 Mar 2023 21:09:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2023 21:08:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53203 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1paNUs-0005Z5-6Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:08:22 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:44266) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1paNUp-0005Yw-5P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:08:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1paNUo-0002n0-1A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:08:18 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1paNUm-0003LM-FX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 16:08:17 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1paNUe-0007CV-BN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 22:08:08 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Attribution: jao X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett X-URL: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:257640 Archived-At: On Thu, Mar 09 2023, Robert Pluim wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 16:10:22 +0200, Dmitry Gutov said: > > Dmitry> On 09/03/2023 06:05, Sam James wrote: > >> Attached hopefully a good compromise between the > >> original bug & improving it. > > Dmitry> I like that. > > I donʼt. It loses the self-deprecating joke that hackers care about > sex and Emacs, and very little else. Agreed. As I see it, these jokes are, in their small scale, literature, not technical writing. One doesn't rewrite literature, unless one is Roald Dahl's editor, or the original author of the work. IMHO, it'd be more respectful to their authors to simply delete the jokes if need be (I don't think there's any need, though). jao -- Since when do we have to agree with people to defend them from injustice? -Lillian Hellman, playwright (20 Jun 1905-1984)