From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#684: 23.0.60; text-mode redefines "\es", the new search-map prefix Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:45:45 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87od3hdhit.fsf__7481.5800566741$1219680658$gmane$org@jurta.org> References: <878wuq5rgy.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87od3mt7yn.fsf@jurta.org> <87vdxuggfl.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Reply-To: Juri Linkov , 684@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219680599 16406 80.91.229.12 (25 Aug 2008 16:09:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 684@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 25 18:10:52 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KXedx-00076L-3d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:10:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49738 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXecy-0008WC-WD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:09:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXebN-0006dw-93 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:07:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXebM-0006ce-CE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:07:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=32969 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXebL-0006c4-UZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:07:32 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:42240) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXebL-0004Qh-Hh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:07:31 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m7PG7SKd025694; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:07:29 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m7PG051D022217; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:00:05 -0700 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Juri Linkov Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:00:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 684 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 684-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B684.121967965320474 (code B ref 684); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:00:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 684) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Aug 2008 15:54:13 +0000 Original-Received: from relay03.kiev.sovam.com (relay03.kiev.sovam.com [62.64.120.201]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m7PFs8TR020463 for <684@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:54:10 -0700 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay03.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KXeON-000J1c-1J; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:54:07 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87vdxuggfl.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> (Chong Yidong's message of "Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:18:54 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 4fe2b897d4d72954524b6b73d18f8617 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Trusted X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 4896 [Aug 24 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: {received from trusted relay: common white list} X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: white ip list X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Trusted X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: trusted X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:07:32 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:19695 Archived-At: > Juri Linkov writes: > >>>> Starting from Emacs 22 we dedicated a special prefix map M-o >>>> just for such formatting commands. So I propose to move these >>>> commands to the following keys: >>>> >>>> M-o M-s center-line >>>> M-o M-S center-paragraph >>> >>> Isn't the M-o prefix key used for text properties? I don't think it's >>> such a good fit. Maybe M-g would be better. WDYT? >> >> M-g was intended for navigation commands ("goto" mnemonics), and >> M-o for formatting commands (see (emacs) Formatted Text). >> I think center-line and center-paragraph are more formatting >> than navigation commands. > > But center-line and center-paragraph have nothing to do with text > formatting as such -- currently, the commands in M-o all change > properties. In contrast, center-line and center-paragraph perform > indentation. In word processors, formatting has a broader sense - it includes indentation, centering, alignment, justification, bulleting, numbering. There was an idea to develop Emacs into a word processor with the M-o map as the starting point. > How about C-c C-s and C-c C-S? These are good keybindings for the text major mode. However, I don't see why center-line and center-paragraph should be restricted to text-mode only. These commands are useful in any mode, and with a global keybinding they will be available everywhere just like other formatting commands such as `fill-paragraph' and commands in the `M-o' map that now has enough room for more keybindings: M-o b facemenu-set-bold M-o d facemenu-set-default M-o i facemenu-set-italic M-o l facemenu-set-bold-italic M-o o facemenu-set-face M-o u facemenu-set-underline M-o M-o font-lock-fontify-block -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/