From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19853: Acknowledgement (25.0.50; ElDoc is displayed whether eldoc-mode is enabled or not) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:20:26 +0100 Message-ID: <87oaa9klc5.fsf@web.de> References: <864mqqgh3j.fsf@yandex.ru> <55AE4DA2.1060505@yandex.ru> <87wpoxko2a.fsf@web.de> <4b554a3b-bc21-859e-4cfc-3c82901ea32f@yandex.ru> <87shzlkngx.fsf@web.de> <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458501683 12378 80.91.229.3 (20 Mar 2016 19:21:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19853@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 20:21:12 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ahiuV-0006JR-T4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:21:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2016 19:20:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55837 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahitw-0003iB-CF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:20:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:57113) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ahitu-0003hu-6W for 19853@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:20:34 -0400 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.27]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MCqsR-1aYbwe3dq7-009g6c; Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:20:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: <7be513e7-2d38-1e78-46f6-03ca17d58f90@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:52:33 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ff5yu37xHT0dLOzDCdmJU4pgezukPO4e9ooyRecxc2UbmdsOKy5 hdjAvvHVodYYbU6Pk0o17L5WLlY3dRUyAAUPejXWiLFXDxRuSCSBWqzm2mfi0Gy10aWHbhx Unu0tTMUfu+zQgSqwZtgFYyHl3Qp0rd/Jo56nGIXRwJRzFDJx38CLGWGyIJaPHGzYrGkuIm n2cGy9c+7y005OPqWUVgA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:1xqXED4+O1I=:PrR3htwgB/gIv7nEuKFpUf NNJZMRrkIY0RI8V892ooBMLDRy6ulCx5hEtFh+FFZiqTbLIm+eYpgqKKbv3+5LlWXtQf3irZF tJ26rgs6e73hGiX5CYKtcgAUSwsqKCQLGzBnQhpg2plYJ6wqXwLcXSK7PppoAf/tedRCQ+tX9 8Z6S3WsPxLTPpvlYuTUKMH1ouPcnpoDZslIeluusMScMiS3NMaLmNUqSfk0momEmWjGIR//bY HjxpHXdKTNP4o1X41mNP9fxJsgGNCQ1u+qHxhDhpQ4IiznZkjjF8PllmX3End8Yv5tIooiTAD r8WgxVQNrm6UcVdhYvFVxkBsnMCkykYxIhMOQsWOhFCAWuQIcbTNznfA8tb0rsIFwpk1kqrAP 0lQFpsYpzzmdewXxsY/guNXhToVf4c1gP0q28gWeYPqRO/QjA+PKsYai5kkCachGzluR4GKun 0wq4YuQe5If9PgQehIXP/Ma+ZmToN37WXdXA0m7ZpmZEKZqpFGn8ssNho5JKn1WT8IfsvAaWC bLfxH7OIe6rQjOfeFpVcz8LzFJvI5PIfKgaozOvj2WWbQWcBD4HvnbLsKh77boaA5X29nsjg5 Y5B5Ru5AihhrO7KjZr/xSZHpcajth2alr6rIgHGUlLkxqnSIaXnx7hIRCndyglNQa4KLqg6xT oYbH0N2xdxZtgBnjeZZIvhnUuoP++P40YyXI+67cEZarVSDD/YnWYzryQff0F5DsjOTS4Hn6j mdGSUi0DqomrL7XTlL1PvwLDh5OeGAKbF75gEoeksjtg12h/zIdUqsqb15FeiB1kyazBdpQ5 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115170 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 03/20/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > > >> That's not true: turning off a globalized mode turns off the related > >> minor mode in all buffers. So, instant effect as well. > > > > Right, but turning on is different, right? > > Different how? Turning on the globalized local hook would not have an immediate effect on the affected buffers I think. > >> I did provide a recipe, in the bug description. > > > > I thought you mean a lighter, but you mean the effect of eldoc mode: > > echoing in the echo area with "ElDoc is displayed", correct? > > In the echo area, but not "ElDoc is displayed" (is there such a > message anywhere?). Yes, in your recipe in the bug description. My question was what you meant with that. > - The behavior is surprising if you're used to globalized minor modes. What behavior do you mean, apart from the next point? > - There's no way to have ElDoc enabled by default, but disable it in > just certain buffers. That's a valid point, the current implementation doesn't cover this case. I think (setq-local global-eldoc-mode nil) should work, but it looks weird, and it should not be necessary to modify a variable after we already have two modes. Michael.