From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#51335: 29.0.50; Use warnings facility for reporting Gnus errors Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 20:37:40 +0200 Message-ID: <87o87e46bv.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87sfwtxa6w.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12863"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 51335@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eric Abrahamsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 24 20:38:38 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1meiOB-00039X-VX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 20:38:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59272 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meiOA-0002ey-W0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 14:38:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38600) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meiNe-0001uK-Pm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 14:38:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:57532) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meiNe-0008Ap-Ee for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 14:38:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meiNe-0002u8-Bm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 14:38:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51335 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 51335-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51335.163510067911156 (code B ref 51335); Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:38:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 51335) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2021 18:37:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meiNb-0002tr-DV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 14:37:59 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:47128) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meiNS-0002tV-1K for 51335@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 14:37:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=KI1z+e+9wg8WYGMzifCKmEAKEWtiiBQ1gzW5OTr8LoA=; b=J7S6fjK22een5kWOn2k/gqvbT5 VM88d4tdbSMcKmlY3p7oL0jjbIubmZFYMQpcBMv5+144iv/SZmia4PnJ0r8dBUN4pgvkXtny1JYen 4P+CMGhU4x8PUnhi/BY733d4bjj8NXKPVDgjDmj+10/ETTDM6o5cublveJD4PwaPAb1o=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1meiNI-0001XQ-PD; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 20:37:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87sfwtxa6w.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:04:39 -0700") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:218173 Archived-At: Eric Abrahamsen writes: > - Calls `ding'. This function returns nil on my system, dunno if it does > anything on other systems. (ding) gives a beep and/or flashes the "visual bell", but many people has switched off both -- so you get neither. > That means there are only > three places where the `message' isn't immediately swallowed by whatever > comes next (and there's almost always another message coming next), > which really means there are only three places where `gnus-error' does > anything different from `gnus-message'. Well, it depends on how you've configured your messaging level... > I think the main concerns here are making sure the user actually sees > important messages, through a combination of splitting them off into > their own buffer, so they don't get lost in *Messages*, and potentially > delaying display until a particular action is complete, and the user has > a chance to see them. My worry is that we're annoying users with warnings that aren't interesting. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no